messier's_elbow Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 What's the point of having a public forum at all then? All I'm saying is that if I were building a hockey team for the future, with an ageing star centerman, I'd want to replace him if I got that opportunity and they don't come much better than Nylander. The kid is leading the Swedish Elite League in points-per-game right now. That's absurd considering the talent and age group he's up against. He may have defensive issues, but he's a +3 on a MODO team that is -10, and besides, defence can be taught. You can't teach his skill. Personally I'd rather have this in the future: Shinkaruk - Nylander - Kassian Jensen - Horvat - Vey ...than this: Virtanen - Vey - Kassian Jensen - Horvat - Shinkaruk Nylander would have given us considerable depth down the middle but more importantly, an elite talent at center. If the last dozen Cup champs have taught us anything, it's that you build a Cup winning team and franchise around a good centerman and depth at center, not a star winger. I personally also wanted Nylander at the draft. Great speed and vision. He is playing great in Sweden, and looks like a good pick for Toronto. Having said that I am converted to the Virtanen camp. He was the youngest player in the draft im pretty sure.. Hes big and strong, hes the fastest player in the CHL and he can score in any way imaginable. He will be a force. You should either cheer for the Leafs or realize Virtanen is also a good prospect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2SKATES1STICK Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I personally also wanted Nylander at the draft. Great speed and vision. He is playing great in Sweden, and looks like a good pick for Toronto. Having said that I am converted to the Virtanen camp. He was the youngest player in the draft im pretty sure.. Hes big and strong, hes the fastest player in the CHL and he can score in any way imaginable. He will be a force. You should either cheer for the Leafs or realize Virtanen is also a good prospect. amen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I personally also wanted Nylander at the draft. Great speed and vision. He is playing great in Sweden, and looks like a good pick for Toronto. Having said that I am converted to the Virtanen camp. He was the youngest player in the draft im pretty sure.. Hes big and strong, hes the fastest player in the CHL and he can score in any way imaginable. He will be a force. You should either cheer for the Leafs or realize Virtanen is also a good prospect. I never said Virtanen wasn't a good prospect - he'll probably be our best forward in about 5 years time. He's a #6 pick for a reason and if we hadn't taken him, he would have gone in the top-10 anyway. What I'm trying to say is simply this: our needs in the future aren't another scoring winger. We will need a top-end center to replace Henrik Sedin when he's on the down-swing. Nylander was our best shot at that. Now unless Virtanen can learn to play center, Benning better start the hunt for a future top center because that's the sort of player you build a team around. I know he's a smart GM, and he was clearly going for Reinhart in his Shinkaruk + 1st + Higgins trade proposal for the first overall which is why I have faith in him to get us that center, but it just seems like a missed opportunity letting Nylander slip. Obviously he's got a bit of risk, being such a skilled, smaller forward, but the Sedins would have turned him into a true professional. As for McCann and Cassels, it'd be great if they turned out to be our future top line center but there's much less probability of that happening than Nylander becoming a first line center. They're both talented forwards who are playing well as overagers, but Nylander would have fit the bill to perfection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I never said Virtanen wasn't a good prospect - he'll probably be our best forward in about 5 years time. He's a #6 pick for a reason and if we hadn't taken him, he would have gone in the top-10 anyway. What I'm trying to say is simply this: our needs in the future aren't another scoring winger. We will need a top-end center to replace Henrik Sedin when he's on the down-swing. Nylander was our best shot at that. Now unless Virtanen can learn to play center, Benning better start the hunt for a future top center because that's the sort of player you build a team around. I know he's a smart GM, and he was clearly going for Reinhart in his Shinkaruk + 1st + Higgins trade proposal for the first overall which is why I have faith in him to get us that center, but it just seems like a missed opportunity letting Nylander slip. Obviously he's got a bit of risk, being such a skilled, smaller forward, but the Sedins would have turned him into a true professional. As for McCann and Cassels, it'd be great if they turned out to be our future top line center but there's much less probability of that happening than Nylander becoming a first line center. They're both talented forwards who are playing well as overagers, but Nylander would have fit the bill to perfection. This is one of the main reasons I wanted to draft Nylander originally. You make some good points, but Nylander is better off in the East, where its more offensive and less physical. Virtanen is made for the West and the playoffs, and has Corey Perry type upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Reinhart is from Vancouver. He should have been ranked 6th too, I guess. FWIW, NHL Central Scouting had Virtanen 6th among NA skaters, TSN had him ranked 7th, ISS had him 10th, THN had him 11th, and he went 12th in a HF mock draft. Cant compare Reinhart and Virtanen... only central scouting ranked him as 6th.Button ranked him as 41 Next Raffi Torres! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 For those big on Nylander, just wait and see, he will be their next Tlusty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 For those big on Nylander, just wait and see, he will be their next Tlusty. Toronto will probably mess up his development, and their team lacks a good mentor for him. Nylander would have become a star in Vancouver playing under the Sedins (and maybe even with them at times) which is why comparing how he will be to how good he could have been is difficult. As for those saying Nylander is too weak and not fit for the "tougher West", the same was said about Henrik and Daniel Sedin in a time when the league was much rougher. They started their careers playing against men in the Swedish League, took an absolute pounding in their first 3 seasons in the NHL but as they developed and grew they learned to battle back and are IMO two of the toughest players in the game today. If the scrawny Sedin twins can develop into superstars and compete in the physical West, there's no reason Nylander couldn't learn from them and do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Goal:thecup Posted November 2, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2014 Toronto will probably mess up his development, and their team lacks a good mentor for him. Nylander would have become a star in Vancouver playing under the Sedins (and maybe even with them at times) which is why comparing how he will be to how good he could have been is difficult. As for those saying Nylander is too weak and not fit for the "tougher West", the same was said about Henrik and Daniel Sedin in a time when the league was much rougher. They started their careers playing against men in the Swedish League, took an absolute pounding in their first 3 seasons in the NHL but as they developed and grew they learned to battle back and are IMO two of the toughest players in the game today. If the scrawny Sedin twins can develop into superstars and compete in the physical West, there's no reason Nylander couldn't learn from them and do the same.If Nylander took it on the chin like Kass did last night, he'd never play in the NHL again. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) I never said Virtanen wasn't a good prospect - he'll probably be our best forward in about 5 years time. He's a #6 pick for a reason and if we hadn't taken him, he would have gone in the top-10 anyway. What I'm trying to say is simply this: our needs in the future aren't another scoring winger. We will need a top-end center to replace Henrik Sedin when he's on the down-swing. Nylander was our best shot at that. Now unless Virtanen can learn to play center, Benning better start the hunt for a future top center because that's the sort of player you build a team around. I know he's a smart GM, and he was clearly going for Reinhart in his Shinkaruk + 1st + Higgins trade proposal for the first overall which is why I have faith in him to get us that center, but it just seems like a missed opportunity letting Nylander slip. Obviously he's got a bit of risk, being such a skilled, smaller forward, but the Sedins would have turned him into a true professional. As for McCann and Cassels, it'd be great if they turned out to be our future top line center but there's much less probability of that happening than Nylander becoming a first line center. They're both talented forwards who are playing well as overagers, but Nylander would have fit the bill to perfection. Neither Cassels nor McCaan are considered overagers. Cassels has just begun his +2 draft year and is one month older than Bo Horvat who is not old enough to play In the AHL. He is one full hockey season removed from his draft year. And Jared McCaan was drafted 4 months ago... Edited November 2, 2014 by Canorth 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I never said Virtanen wasn't a good prospect - he'll probably be our best forward in about 5 years time. He's a #6 pick for a reason and if we hadn't taken him, he would have gone in the top-10 anyway. What I'm trying to say is simply this: our needs in the future aren't another scoring winger. We will need a top-end center to replace Henrik Sedin when he's on the down-swing. Nylander was our best shot at that. Now unless Virtanen can learn to play center, Benning better start the hunt for a future top center because that's the sort of player you build a team around. I know he's a smart GM, and he was clearly going for Reinhart in his Shinkaruk + 1st + Higgins trade proposal for the first overall which is why I have faith in him to get us that center, but it just seems like a missed opportunity letting Nylander slip. Obviously he's got a bit of risk, being such a skilled, smaller forward, but the Sedins would have turned him into a true professional. As for McCann and Cassels, it'd be great if they turned out to be our future top line center but there's much less probability of that happening than Nylander becoming a first line center. They're both talented forwards who are playing well as overagers, but Nylander would have fit the bill to perfection. Is this a joke? Is this a freaking joke? You can stop anytime now, because clearly, you are completely ill-informed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 If Nylander took it on the chin like Kass did last night, he'd never play in the NHL again.thats why the leaves sent him back to Sweden to save his life. They should've picked Nick Ritche, this is looking like Patrick White all over again for Nonis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Derp... Posted November 2, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2014 Just think of Jake throwing a hit on Nylander. Just think of it. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Just think of Jake throwing a hit on Nylander. Just think of it. Perfect conclusion to this pointless conversation! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 thats why the leaves sent him back to Sweden to save his life. They should've picked Nick Ritche, this is looking like Patrick White all over again for Nonis. Ritchie has a higher bust factor than virtanen. Ritchie is bigger but virtanen has size too. Virtanen: Better shot Better skater Better conditioning Equal defensively? Equal hockey sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Downunda says Virtanen is 5 years out to make his case for the nucks not taking Nylander. Dude is butthurt x10. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Downunda says Virtanen is 5 years out to make his case for the nucks not taking Nylander. Dude is butthurt x10. Ya he's probably right... 5 years away from leading the NHL in goal scoring sounds about right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Ritchie has a higher bust factor than virtanen. Ritchie is bigger but virtanen has size too. Virtanen: Better shot Better skater Better conditioning Equal defensively? Equal hockey sense Virtanen wasn't on the board when it was time for the leafs to pick so what's your point? Virtanen's shot is not that much better than Ritchie's and Ritchie's hockey sense is quite a bit better than Virtanen's. He is the kind of player the Leafs need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Nylander won't play centre in the NHL. His game is suited for the wing at the NHL, which is why he has played a lot more wing over the past couple years then centre. Jake on the other hand is likely right now the best athlete in the entire Canucks organization right now, and he'll only get bigger, stronger and faster. He'll be a good NHL player for a long time. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/114049/hitmen-forward-virtanens-shoulder-looking-just-fine/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Ritchie has a higher bust factor than virtanen. Ritchie is bigger but virtanen has size too. Virtanen: Better shot Better skater Better conditioning Equal defensively? Equal hockey sense I hear Virtanen has HORRIBLE hockey IQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I hear Virtanen has HORRIBLE hockey IQ You don't score 45 goals with horrible hockey IQ. The belief about him is that he doesn't use his teammates enough. The fact that he has twice as many assists as goals so far this season might mean he's working on that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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