mpt Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I hope we can pick him up. Great player. We'd have to give up all our youth, no thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 That's not how trading works Man CDC does not understand the value of players at all, you don't just throw a bunch of mediocre players for a superstar. You want Kessel? Bye-bye to one of Horvat and Virtanen, and if you think it would take anything less, you don't understand player values at all. First of all I never proposed the trade. Was just showing what each individual pics worth would be in draft choices. I feel that I was very fair in those assumptions to boot. In a salary cap world you would be insane to trade away young, cheap, character, 2 way horvat for selfish overpaid one way Kessel. That's like us trading miller for Vasilevskiy. You don't understand player values Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Here's one that could work: Van trades: Miller Bieksa Virtanen to TO for: Kessel Gardiner Kessel and Miller's contract almost wash out. The goaltending controversery is over and Bieksa is off the books. We get lots of upside in Gardiner and he's an offensive Dman. They could throw in Riemer and us a 2nd if we want a good back up goalie as Markstrom will never be it. If I wanted an offensive D-man, I much rather go to free agency and try and snag up Franson for basically the same salary cap that Gardiner is at (or more depending on how much he's asking for) or swap Gardiner for Rielly and we add Sbisa to the deal instead of Bieksa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senpai Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 First of all I never proposed the trade. Was just showing what each individual pics worth would be in draft choices. I feel that I was very fair in those assumptions to boot.In a salary cap world you would be insane to trade away young, cheap, character, 2 way horvat for selfish overpaid one way Kessel. That's like us trading miller for Vasilevskiy. You don't understand player values Making a trade that hampers your team =/= understanding player values. When did I say it was a good trade or anything of the sort? I simply stated it would take AT LEAST one of them, if not both, because it would, and any rational fan would understand that. Yes, i agree it would be a terrible decision for where our team is right now, but IF we wanted him, Horvat/Virtanen would definitely be the asking price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Making a trade that hampers your team =/= understanding player values. When did I say it was a good trade or anything of the sort? I simply stated it would take AT LEAST one of them, if not both, because it would, and any rational fan would understand that. Yes, i agree it would be a terrible decision for where our team is right now, but IF we wanted him, Horvat/Virtanen would definitely be the asking price.fact of the matter is Kessel makes too much for too long. He has as many years left on his contract as luongo. Remember when Gillis wanted a 1st, a top prospect and a roster player for lu? Leafs expecting the same will be disappointed as well. Only way they get a prospect like Virtanen would be to retain a huge chunk of salary or take back a horible salary (Mike richards type). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Well I DID make a proposal, & think I know a bit about random player values. That is not to say my proposal is perfect; & for both sides it'd be kosher. From my POV, it's simply the highest cost I'd accept the Nucks parting with. Comparatively speaking, this guy can certainly finish..but he sure has his warts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl's Jn Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I will PUNCH the first person that suggests we trade for kessel! no worries... no way we can afford the cap space this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Very few things more entertaining than a Kessel trade thread. Most of you are forgetting he holds a NMC, LNTC - which reportedly empowers him to limit the list of potential destinations to 8. So you can forget about your Carolina, etc proposals. His term, combined with his cap hit, combined with the limited trade options, combined with his horrible conditioining, reputation as uncoachable, etc put his value at considerably less imo than some of the loopy proposals out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Only way I would go after him is if torona keeps 1/3 his salary and we could get rid of 2 to 3 vets and maybe a 3rd round pick at best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Very few things more entertaining than a Kessel trade thread. Most of you are forgetting he holds a NMC, LNTC - which reportedly empowers him to limit the list of potential destinations to 8. So you can forget about your Carolina, etc proposals. His term, combined with his cap hit, combined with the limited trade options, combined with his horrible conditioining, reputation as uncoachable, etc put his value at considerably less imo than some of the loopy proposals out there. I dont know...given his tendency to completely disregard off season training, his list of priority locations might not be what people would expect. He doesn't seem like the type to put a team/system first, like what would be required from most contending teams. Rather, his lack of commitment might work out in the Leafs favor, as far as a destination vs return goes. He might choose to limit those destinations according to how many Hot Dog eating contest the city/state/province has per year. So I wouldn't totally rule out a bottom dwelling team like Carolina so soon, unless they did something stupid, like outlawed ice cream or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I dont know...given his tendency to completely disregard off season training, his list of priority locations might not be what people would expect. He doesn't seem like the type to put a team/system first, like what would be required from most contending teams. Rather, his lack of commitment might work out in the Leafs favor, as far as a destination vs return goes. He might choose to limit those destinations according to how many Hot Dog eating contest the city/state/province has per year. So I wouldn't totally rule out a bottom dwelling team like Carolina so soon, unless they did something stupid, like outlawed ice cream or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Losin' stinks, stated Burkey, need some muscle Flip some picks, ain't no turkey, welcome Kessel! Stated plans went amiss Signed some duds -blame Nonis Went too fast, hit the 'berg, sunken vessel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Very few things more entertaining than a Kessel trade thread. Most of you are forgetting he holds a NMC, LNTC - which reportedly empowers him to limit the list of potential destinations to 8. So you can forget about your Carolina, etc proposals. His term, combined with his cap hit, combined with the limited trade options, combined with his horrible conditioining, reputation as uncoachable, etc put his value at considerably less imo than some of the loopy proposals out there. I hate to call people out, but this is what senpai doesn't get.. it reaches back to the other thread with Malkin rumours. Trading doesn't happen in a bubble or a vacuum, and often times non hockey/player related factors heavily dictate a situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I will PUNCH the first person that suggests we trade for kessel! I suggest we trade for Kessel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I suggest we trade for Kessel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Kessel straight up for a truckload of Timbits!!! .....wait, he ate all the Timbits already, didn't he? Major donut session with Nonis when he was still there...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I doubt they'll be able to move Kessel, and certainly not for a good return or without retaining salary. One team that could handle his cap hit, though, would be Anaheim. He wouldn't be the main guy there and would just have to score. Doubt it happens but it might put them over the top until his cap hit would stop them from re-signing their good young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I doubt they'll be able to move Kessel, and certainly not for a good return or without retaining salary. One team that could handle his cap hit, though, would be Anaheim. He wouldn't be the main guy there and would just have to score. Doubt it happens but it might put them over the top until his cap hit would stop them from re-signing their good young players. A depressed Kessel on a losing team does not build a winning team. A happy Kessel on a winning team is DEADLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 ^^ I suspect so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I think this will be a luongo saga. A player with a bad contract that the team wants a ton for but nobody wants to pay it. In the end I'm guessing they will get a Kesler type return. A 1st, a good roster player and a young player with upside. Not the top 10 pick + blue chip prospect + roster player that TO and their fans want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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