GB5 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Willie doesn't have a choice. It's up to Benning and Linden.This team is building for the future. Passing up on extra picks in the draft to keep players you plan to let go is about the worst strategy this team can have now. It's not worth maybe winning one round in the playoffs.Hard choices to make and hate to see these guys go but probably the right thing to do long term. Maybe a prospect could be gained in return as well instead of just draft picks who may be several years away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Hard choices to make and hate to see these guys go but probably the right thing to do long term. Maybe a prospect could be gained in return as well instead of just draft picks who may be several years away.Yea picks or prospects are good. Both are building blocks for the future.The 2016 draft should be all about D-men. If we could get a couple extra 1sts, a 2nd, and a solid D prospect at the trade deadline, we'll be in good shape. Look at what LA gave up for Sekera. McKeown and a 1st round pick. If we can get that for Hamhuis or Vrbata we should take it and run. We have a chance to add 3 or 4 high end D prospects in next years draft. Gotta take full advantage of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 We can't afford to let guys walk for free if at all possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Gaunce having himself a 3 point game so far.Time to call him up Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) Higgins, vrabata, Hamhuis 100% need to be gone by the trade deadlibe hamhuis - late firstvrabata - 2nd, 3rd maybe just a late first depending on seasonhiggins - 3rdthat would give us 8 picks in the first 3 rounds (includes the 2nd for 3rd swap we are doing with PIT. If CBJ makes the playoffs I bet they give us their 2nd but I doubt they make it)imagine what JB can do with 8 picks in 3 rounds Edited November 8, 2015 by Canucks Curse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Higgins, vrabata, Hamhuis 100% need to be gone by the trade deadlibe hamhuis - late firstvrabata - 2nd, 3rd maybe just a late first depending on seasonhiggins - 3rdthat would give us 8 picks in the first 3 rounds (includes the 2nd for 3rd swap we are doing with PIT. If CBJ makes the playoffs I bet they give us their 2nd but I doubt they make it)imagine what JB can do with 8 picks in 3 roundsI\d rather see good, young prospects than picks, to be honest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I\d rather see good, young prospects than picks, to be honest.you really want JB trading for prospects, after the Vey and Baertchi blunders? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 If WD thinks that all he needs to do to keep his job is to scrape this team into the playoffs just to get out coached and lose in the first round then he is dead wrong. As this year goes on we could see gaunce and shinker and maybe pedan get call ups. That means he could be looking at at 5-7 rookies in the lineup at once. Next year I think is a contract year for him and we certainly will have more youth in the lineup then so if he can't handle young guys he is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 you really want JB trading for prospects, after the Vey and Baertchi blunders?Since when is Baertschi a blunder? I know he's not a 3 point-per-game stud like desi says any good player should be but c'mon, he's far from a write-off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 you really want JB trading for prospects, after the Vey and Baertchi blunders?I agree that Vey was disappointing. Given that he Canucks sent him through waivers to Utica probably LA would have waived him as well and the Canucks could have picked him up for nothing. But he is helping Utica and, in particular, seems to play well with Shinkaruk.I think it is a bit early to be too negative about Baertschi. It would have been nice to see more by now, but he does not look too far off. The next few months will be important.But I agree that I would rather see Benning acquire and keep draft picks instead of trading picks for prospects. From what we have seen so far (and from Benning's career overall) his biggest advantage seems to be in assessing young (pre-draft) talent. So the Canucks emphasize the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) Would NSH go for:to NSHhamhuisvrbataJensenvan 2016 1stto VANseth jonesNSH 2016 1st Edited November 8, 2015 by Canucks Curse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I agree that Vey was disappointing. Given that he Canucks sent him through waivers to Utica probably LA would have waived him as well and the Canucks could have picked him up for nothing. But he is helping Utica and, in particular, seems to play well with Shinkaruk.I think it is a bit early to be too negative about Baertschi. It would have been nice to see more by now, but he does not look too far off. The next few months will be important.But I agree that I would rather see Benning acquire and keep draft picks instead of trading picks for prospects. From what we have seen so far (and from Benning's career overall) his biggest advantage seems to be in assessing young (pre-draft) talent. So the Canucks emphasize the draft. It might take Sven B 40 games to show something. I am seeing more battle in his game and is handling the puck more. Thought his Buffalo game was good. Fans put way to much stock in this kid after the trade. His success could depend as much on his line mates as his own game. Confidence is everything. He will feel pressure from Gaunce and Shinkaruk the way they are playing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Since when is Baertschi a blunder? I know he's not a 3 point-per-game stud like desi says any good player should be but c'mon, he's far from a write-off.I guess my point is I think JB is better at the draft, than at the trading part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 you really want JB trading for prospects, after the Vey and Baertchi blunders?It's a good strategy to pick up players who are ready or close to being ready to play. For this team especially. Most draft picks don't play for 3-5 years (21-23 years old).Vey was not a blunder because he did well as a rookie 10-14-24 and filled the role as 13th forward logging 74 games last year. He just didn't play as well as he was hyped up to be. As for this year, who predicted that a sub 180 lb McCann was going to make the team and where did Adam Cracknell come from? In that respect, Vey was insurance and a pick well spent. He still is insurance as the 6th centre. The jury is still out on Baertschi. After what he did in the Buffalo game, I think he got the message that he has to play more between the dots.Don't forget, 1 in 3 2nd picks don't play at all at the NHL level and only 1 in 3 play more than 100 games. Vey is at 94 and Baertschi is at 82. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NazzyHankBo Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Would NSH go for:to NSHhamhuisvrbataJensenvan 2016 1stto VANseth jonesNSH 2016 1stI don't think Nashville trades Seth Jones - just because he's a foundational piece. I don't think your ask is far off though given the value of Hammer and Vrbata (if he picks up his scoring) to a contender is much greater than them separate - I had said this is the best strategy on another thread (ie send them to Montreal or Washington, Pittsburgh, Rangers etc).That being said (digressing since this thread is on Gaunce, sorry for derailing folks), I would think we should move them to Washington who has a strong stable of youth, wants to win with Ovi now and could really use these guys to put them over the top. They are ready to 'go for it', and have not been in a better position since ovi was there.Hammer and Vrbata to WashingtonBowey/1st/2nd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Gaunce having himself a 3 point game so far.Time to call him up Jim. Did I miss Higgins being traded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I guess my point is I think JB is better at the draft, than at the trading part.I agree his drafting is really good. I wouldn't say his trading neccessary poor though. He gets deals done something we haven't had in a while. You could say Bonino, Sbisa, and McCann for Kesler was a little lite. But as we all saw he flipped Bonino and a 5th (forsling) for a great player like Sutter. You can argue ya we gave up a 2nd for a 3rd but at the end of the day he got made up what he lost in a situation where his hands were largely tied. He didn't let Kesler sit and fester he dealt him and got a really good return. His drafting skills helped make that deal even sweeter with the value of Forsling and the emergence of Canner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Did I miss Higgins being traded? I'm expecting you'll be the one to post the announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I'm expecting you'll be the one to post the announcement.lol why do you say that? My money is in Vintage Canuck having that honor anyway lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 lol why do you say that? My money is in Vintage Canuck having that honor anyway lol It would guarantee you'd never have him projected on the second line ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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