Popular Post kenhodgejr Posted January 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2019 I really hope Juolevi gets healthy soon so this thread can get back to talking about him! 3 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe-max Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) On 1/26/2019 at 6:04 PM, Borvat said: I tried to find anything regarding which knee was surgically repaired. Do you know if it is the same one that was previously repaired or is it the other knee? If it's the same knee as before I am more concerned. You came to the wrong place to ask. This thread is only about educating and psychoanalysing each other. And to discuss the Tkachuk family. Edited January 27, 2019 by joe-max grammar 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 11 hours ago, TheRealistOptimist said: They held our team hostage for 4 years, because we couldn't truly embrace a rebuild while they were here wrapping up their careers. It makes me want to vomit whenever I hear someone praise a players community work. As a fan I couldn't care less what a player does in the community. They get paid to play the game, produce and try to win championships. What a disgusting post. Like most of your posts, it makes me want to vomit. Back under your bridge, and onto the ignore list for you. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 11 hours ago, TheRealistOptimist said: How so? Burrows made $2 million while he was scoring 25-35 goals (28 years old) 2009-10 - 35 goals - $2 million (29 years old) 2010-11 - 26 goals - $2 million (30 years old) 2011-12 - 28 goals - $2 million (31 years old) 2012-13 - 13 goals in 47 games - $2 million (strike shortened season) Signed a 4 year deal with a $4.5 million AAV with a NTC (32 years old) 2013-14 - 5 goals in 49 games - $4.5 million (33 years old) 2014-15 - 18 goals - $4.5 million (34 years old) 2015-16 - 9 goals - $4.5 million (35 years old) 2016-17 - 9 goals in 55 games for Vancouver - $4.5 million You don't give someone who's 32 years old, their production already waning a 250% raise to go along with a NTC. Albatross contract for his production. The Sedin's are obviously not as bad but their production had already been waning prior to them signing their last contract. Then at 33 years old they inexplicably got a raise and a full NMC, they had 1 more good year where they were worth the money and then they regressed like old players tend to do. Yes, Burrows got a raise at the end, to compensate him for the reduction he took during his prime, that allowed the team to keep it's players for the Cup window. I'll also mention that the cap had gone up so Burrow's salary was not a huge jump as a percentage of cap space. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 So how is OJ's rehab going anyway? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, gurn said: So how is OJ's rehab going anyway? Who cares, don't you want to know about Keith Tkachuk running the Jets out of town? lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 14 hours ago, TheRealistOptimist said: They held our team hostage for 4 years, because we couldn't truly embrace a rebuild while they were here wrapping up their careers. It makes me want to vomit whenever I hear someone praise a players community work. As a fan I couldn't care less what a player does in the community. They get paid to play the game, produce and try to win championships. I don’t understand this at all. We scraped the bottom of the barrel, traded away a ton of vets and landed 5 top 10 picks during that stretch. We also ended up moving Burr for a pretty nice piece in Dahlen. I understand JB didn’t publicly call for scorched earth and we didn’t set out to “tank” an entire season away... but we certainly rebuilt over that time. What we missed out on slightly higher draft picks I think we’ve made back in a young, high character, no-drama core we’ve seen come into its own. Having that old guard Canuck leadership undoubtedly helped. Players rave about the Sedins and it’s no coincidence Bo turned the corner playing that season with Burrows. To tie it all into this thread, it’s the reason I’d like Edler and Tanev to be with the club when Juolevi and Hughes make the jump. Having quality vets on the team doesn’t stall a rebuild.. it helps facilitate it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealistOptimist Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) I know how contracts work, but our management team at the time got to sentimental when dealing with players like Burrows. All of you defending the 2nd Burrows contract, are too sentimental as well, because he “slayed the dragon”. He simply did not produce according to what he got paid. Anyways I’ll keep it short and leave it at that. So that this can get back to Juolevi talk. Edited January 27, 2019 by TheRealistOptimist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, TheRealistOptimist said: How so? Burrows made $2 million while he was scoring 25-35 goals (28 years old) 2009-10 - 35 goals - $2 million (29 years old) 2010-11 - 26 goals - $2 million (30 years old) 2011-12 - 28 goals - $2 million (31 years old) 2012-13 - 13 goals in 47 games - $2 million (strike shortened season) Signed a 4 year deal with a $4.5 million AAV with a NTC (32 years old) 2013-14 - 5 goals in 49 games - $4.5 million (33 years old) 2014-15 - 18 goals - $4.5 million (34 years old) 2015-16 - 9 goals - $4.5 million (35 years old) 2016-17 - 9 goals in 55 games for Vancouver - $4.5 million You don't give someone who's 32 years old, their production already waning a 250% raise to go along with a NTC. Albatross contract for his production. The Sedin's are obviously not as bad but their production had already been waning prior to them signing their last contract. Then at 33 years old they inexplicably got a raise and a full NMC, they had 1 more good year where they were worth the money and then they regressed like old players tend to do. While I get what you are saying, real hockey people do pay stars for there past performance. You don't have to like it but that is how the NHL and other pro sports operate. You can continue to dislike it but it means nothing lol. Edited January 27, 2019 by Kanukfanatic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealistOptimist Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: I don’t understand this at all. We scraped the bottom of the barrel, traded away a ton of vets and landed 5 top 10 picks during that stretch. We also ended up moving Burr for a pretty nice piece in Dahlen. I understand JB didn’t publicly call for scorched earth and we didn’t set out to “tank” an entire season away... but we certainly rebuilt over that time. What we missed out on slightly higher draft picks I think we’ve made back in a young, high character, no-drama core we’ve seen come into its own. Having that old guard Canuck leadership undoubtedly helped. Players rave about the Sedins and it’s no coincidence Bo turned the corner playing that season with Burrows. To tie it all into this thread, it’s the reason I’d like Edler and Tanev to be with the club when Juolevi and Hughes make the jump. Having quality vets on the team doesn’t stall a rebuild.. it helps facilitate it. I don’t totally disagree with you. But their contracts were bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheRealistOptimist said: I know how contracts work, but our management team at the time got to sentimental when dealing with players like Burrows. All of you defending the 2nd Burrows contract, are too sentimental as well, because he “slated the dragon”. He simply did not produce according to what he got paid. Anyways I’ll keep it short and leave it at that. So that this can get back to Juolevi talk. Don't stop now you're on a roll! Juolevi is injured, no need to worry. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post logic Posted January 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2019 20 hours ago, TheRealistOptimist said: They held our team hostage for 4 years, because we couldn't truly embrace a rebuild while they were here wrapping up their careers. It makes me want to vomit whenever I hear someone praise a players community work. As a fan I couldn't care less what a player does in the community. They get paid to play the game, produce and try to win championships. Yeah makes you wanna vomit when they donate millions of their own money to childrens hospitals, and give their own time just to try bring joy and happiness to people. Ya people like you make me vomit, you must be not be a very good person to not appreciate what guys like the Sedins have done for Vancouver 1 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I sure like coming to this thread to read interesting things about OJ. Now, if I could just find those things among the other crap being posted here. People, why pick on this thread to discuss anything but OJ? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 73 Percent Posted January 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: I sure like coming to this thread to read interesting things about OJ. Now, if I could just find those things among the other crap being posted here. People, why pick on this thread to discuss anything but OJ? What's there to discuss? He's not playing much hockey these days. Hard to praise or critique any of his recent play... Bet you his fortnite game is sharp as a knife though 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBrew Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 This kid is still 20. He played in the world juniors last year. He has time to recovery and be the guy we want for our team. I’m not worried. Speedy recovery OJ. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, 73 Percent said: What's there to discuss? He's not playing much hockey these days. Hard to praise or critique any of his recent play... Bet you his fortnite game is sharp as a knife though Better than ever lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealistOptimist Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, logic said: Yeah makes you wanna vomit when they donate millions of their own money to childrens hospitals, and give their own time just to try bring joy and happiness to people. Ya people like you make me vomit, you must be not be a very good person to not appreciate what guys like the Sedins have done for Vancouver I like that, judging a person on a chat room, having never met them. You must be a great person to judge people that quickly. I’m guessing what didn’t come through in my post after having read it back - is that when I say it makes me vomit when someone mentions a players community work - I mean when the fans and people use that as a reason why we can never trade a player or when they rate how good a player was during his career. IMO community work should not be attached to any hockey discussion about said player. Obviously donating money is a good thing. But personally, I don’t let it affect my feelings towards the player’s performance on the ice. Edited January 28, 2019 by TheRealistOptimist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) On 1/27/2019 at 4:54 AM, TheRealistOptimist said: How so? Burrows made $2 million while he was scoring 25-35 goals (28 years old) 2009-10 - 35 goals - $2 million (29 years old) 2010-11 - 26 goals - $2 million (30 years old) 2011-12 - 28 goals - $2 million (31 years old) 2012-13 - 13 goals in 47 games - $2 million (strike shortened season) Signed a 4 year deal with a $4.5 million AAV with a NTC (32 years old) 2013-14 - 5 goals in 49 games - $4.5 million (33 years old) 2014-15 - 18 goals - $4.5 million (34 years old) 2015-16 - 9 goals - $4.5 million (35 years old) 2016-17 - 9 goals in 55 games for Vancouver - $4.5 million You don't give someone who's 32 years old, their production already waning a 250% raise to go along with a NTC. Albatross contract for his production. The Sedin's are obviously not as bad but their production had already been waning prior to them signing their last contract. Then at 33 years old they inexplicably got a raise and a full NMC, they had 1 more good year where they were worth the money and then they regressed like old players tend to do. If they didn't pay Burrows, someone else would... Hindsight binoculars are brilliant, but there would have been a scream from the fan base, had Burrows left for nothing, to sign for someone else. Edited January 28, 2019 by spook007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 11 hours ago, 73 Percent said: What's there to discuss? He's not playing much hockey these days. Hard to praise or critique any of his recent play... Bet you his fortnite game is sharp as a knife though Post of 2019 so far! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 22 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: While I get what you are saying, real hockey people do pay stars for there past performance. You don't have to like it but that is how the NHL and other pro sports operate. You can continue to dislike it but it means nothing lol. It sure doesn’t happen but it’s a downfall in a team. I was listening to Robin Regehr talk about this a few weeks ago and he feels that GM’s need to take a harder approach on these types of contracts. GM’s are signing players to deals where they know they final few years of the contract are going to be albatross years and it’s hurting the team’s ability to compete. On one hand you want to be loyal to the players that have worked hard for you but the other hand you need to always focus on what’s best for the team. He feels that GM’s need to be willing to move out these players while they still have high value, rather than holding on to them and then bleeding more assets in order to support an aging core. He also felt that players get over from being moved, they all know it’s part of the business of playing in the NHL. At the end the day the GM’s role is to put butts in the seats and that involves making those hard decisions which limit the amount of time a team spends in the rebuilding phase. LA is in a very similar spot, where they rewarded players at the back of their primes, held on to aging contracts, and have wasted picks trying to prop up a core that should have been dismantled in 2016. Now they are a bottom 5 team in the league with 35% of their cap going to players 33+, who are all locked up till 2021+ and that’s not including kopitar’s 10 million contract…..or the Richards contract they fluked out from having to pay. The future isn’t bright for the Kings and instead of starting a soft transition 3 years ago (where some of those returns could have now been joining the roster) they are burdened with overpriced anchor contracts crossing there fingers Jack Hughes can save them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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