Olli Juolevi | #48 | D

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32 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Play Joulevi for his 9 games starting next year and then send him to London for experience and physical development.

Without trades and/or injuries, that's not happening.

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48 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Without trades and/or injuries, that's not happening.

Perhaps pre-season will be a good enough exposure but I prefer some actual NHL games. Not sure why you are ruling it out. Trades and/or injuries?

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2 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Perhaps pre-season will be a good enough exposure but I prefer some actual NHL games. Not sure why you are ruling it out. Trades and/or injuries?

Roster limits.

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1 hour ago, J.R. said:

Without trades and/or injuries, that's not happening.

There will be trades and injuries.

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2 minutes ago, Screw said:

There will be trades and injuries.

You're talking to a guy that wouldn't mind seeing both Edler and Tanev moved  

 

Still, until those things actually occur.... At present we don't have enough room for our current players to get starting minutes, never mind adding Juolevi.

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Just now, J.R. said:

You're talking to a guy that wouldn't mind seeing both Edler and Tanev moved  

 

Still, until those things actually occur.... At present we don't have enough room for our current players to get starting minutes, never mind adding Juolevi.

You and I see eye to eye on that point.

[ohmy 821]

Well we all know there will be moving parts between now and the season but even with that then yes there will be a roster crunch. It's a good problem to have and if Juolevi out plays someone in the top 7 he's getting those 9 games without a doubt.  That's all going to depend on his summer and his health going into next season. I still think another year of getting stronger will be key for him but I'm sure we all.want to see how he looks playing with NHL players and against NHL competition. I think we're in one of the most exciting times as a Canuck fan. These next couple years are make or break and from the owner down there can't be any critical errors.

[EagleShield 320]

Our current D depth is:

• Edler
• Tanev
• Sbisa
• Gudbranson
• Tryamkin
• Stecher
• Hutton
• Biega
• Juolevi
• Subban
• Brisebois
• Pedan
• McEneny

I think Sbisa goes to Vegas, but no other moves happen, maybe Subban gets moved because management doesn't seem to believe in him as a defenseman (I'd be looking to offload/never have acquired Gudbranson, and one of the top pair for a scoring forward). I don't see Juolevi cracking the roster and playing meaningful minutes. Loan him to a Swedish team for a year or keep him in junior - no point having him play 200 minutes in the season. Injuries aside, it just doesn't make sense.

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3 hours ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said:

 

 

to add on

 

 

Rick Dhaliwal is doing one heck of a job btw.

[Boudrias 6,842]

2 hours ago, J.R. said:

You're talking to a guy that wouldn't mind seeing both Edler and Tanev moved  

 

Still, until those things actually occur.... At present we don't have enough room for our current players to get starting minutes, never mind adding Juolevi.

Totally agree with your Tanev and Edler comment.

 

There is a good chance that the Canuck team next year will not be much better than the past one. Again, for me the up coming season is all about player & prospect development. Joulevi has played a lot of hockey over the past 2 seasons. Time away will help him.

[JamesB 4,668]

1 hour ago, EagleShield said:

Our current D depth is:

• Edler
• Tanev
• Sbisa
• Gudbranson
• Tryamkin
• Stecher
• Hutton
• Biega
• Juolevi
• Subban
• Brisebois
• Pedan
• McEneny

I think Sbisa goes to Vegas, but no other moves happen, maybe Subban gets moved because management doesn't seem to believe in him as a defenseman (I'd be looking to offload/never have acquired Gudbranson, and one of the top pair for a scoring forward). I don't see Juolevi cracking the roster and playing meaningful minutes. Loan him to a Swedish team for a year or keep him in junior - no point having him play 200 minutes in the season. Injuries aside, it just doesn't make sense.

This depth chart looks reasonable, but I would slot Mceney in ahead of Subban. I am also not so sure Gudbranson is ahead of Tryamkim, Stecher, and Hutton. All those guys are different, of course. But they are all guys who have shown they are good 3rd pairing guys but have not shown they are good 2nd pairing players. Maybe Guddy will be better when he is healthy but he really struggled when he played for the Canucks in the top 4 last year.

 

In any case, there are lots of bottom 4 or 7th man types Ds there but, in my view, there are no legitimate top pairings Ds on the list. Any team would love to have Edler and Tanev on a second pairing, but not on a first pairing.

 

Let's hope someone in the Canuck system develops into a legitimate top pairing player. My dark horse is Brisebois. He made a lot of progress last year. I look forward to seeing him in Utica next year.

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45 minutes ago, JamesB said:

This depth chart looks reasonable, but I would slot Mceney in ahead of Subban. I am also not so sure Gudbranson is ahead of Tryamkim, Stecher, and Hutton. All those guys are different, of course. But they are all guys who have shown they are good 3rd pairing guys but have not shown they are good 2nd pairing players. Maybe Guddy will be better when he is healthy but he really struggled when he played for the Canucks in the top 4 last year.

 

In any case, there are lots of bottom 4 or 7th man types Ds there but, in my view, there are no legitimate top pairings Ds on the list. Any team would love to have Edler and Tanev on a second pairing, but not on a first pairing.

 

Let's hope someone in the Canuck system develops into a legitimate top pairing player. My dark horse is Brisebois. He made a lot of progress last year. I look forward to seeing him in Utica next year.

Those were in the order I saw them on CapFriendly, not any particular preference!

 

Tanev is an elite defensive defenceman, and could potentially be a top pairing D man with a PPQB type as his partner. Edler is a top 4 dman on most teams in the league, but I wouldn't see anyone else on our depth chart playing for a contender at present. I'd say the dark horse is McEneny - was a projected 1st round pick prior to his draft year injury. He had a stellar 2nd half this year and if that continues he may have a shot as an NHLer. Luckily we are likely to suck ass next year and there are 2 really good Dmen in Dahlin and Merkely in next year's draft!

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2 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

To Add on.

 

* Snip *

 

Rick Dhaliwal is doing one heck of a job btw.

 

Thanks for posting those, I don't use twitter so it helps when relevant tweets are posted on different Canucks subjects.

 

Sounds like OJ knows he is in control of his future, I know Virtanen at times also said all the right things, but I feel like with Juolevi he is not just saying it, he knows exactly what he has to do to become the player we all hope he can.

 

Also I wasn't aware that last summer wasn't a great one for him, was it just super short or was he injured? I googled around a bit, but nothing came up.

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6 hours ago, J.R. said:

Without trades and/or injuries, that's not happening.

trades will happen 

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You can tell Olli loves that cross ice pass, set up Pu and others a bunch of times in that highlight vid.

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1 hour ago, Scorevat said:

You can tell Olli loves that cross ice pass, set up Pu and others a bunch of times in that highlight vid.

Well when you throw enough at Pu eventually something will stick.  it's when you throw something at it blindly and it isn't paying attention that trouble happens.  One big hit and you leave Pu smeared all over the ice

[Harvey Spector 6,884]

I think he makes the team out of training camp. He is too good to go back to junior. Benning will make room for him one way or another. I expect at least one D to be traded by September. Maybe one even gets picked up by Vegas... *cough Edler *cough...

[elvis15 7,738]

On 4/18/2017 at 2:07 AM, The Big Luongo said:

My guess from watching Edler is that he's not thought of as a mentor because he makes as many mistakes as the rest of the defensemen combined, Stecher is already leaps and bounds ahead of him defensively in his rookie season and Edler is pretty much useless and error prone on most nights costing the team wins.

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I'm curious how you quantify that statement, or are you just using the eye test? Certainly using the stats available to us (and I realize turnovers aren't the only measure of mistakes) we can see that Edler played the most minutes of anyone this year yet had 13 less giveaways than both Sbisa and Hutton (each had 50 where Edler had 37, Hank led the team with 52). Stecher had 33 giveaways, and with his lesser ice time than Edler's, he actually turned the puck over more frequently (about one turnover every 43 minutes compared to 1 every 44 minutes from Edler). Edler was -20 while Stecher was -16 so hardly some definitive evidence that Edler was worse.

 

And speaking of Edler and Stecher, I believe it was Stecher himself who said that Edler took him under his wing coming into camp and at least to start the year, and that was part of the reason for his early success. It's relatively safe to assume that continued through the year as they were often paired together. Sounds like a mentor to me.

 

But sure, "Edler is pretty much useless and error prone on most nights costing the team wins." Let's go with that.

 

Anyway, back to Juolevi. His season might be done but his offseason is just beginning. I hope he has a good plan in place, both for strength and for honing his game as much as possible to account for the potential speed change of going pro. I'm not saying he'll make it, but wouldn't it be great if we moved some D and he really did step up?

Edited April 20, 2017 by elvis15

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18 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said:

I think he makes the team out of training camp. He is too good to go back to junior. Benning will make room for him one way or another. I expect at least one D to be traded by September. Maybe one even gets picked up by Vegas... *cough Edler *cough...

I agree that Olli will make the team in training camp.  Edler will likely be moved after the expansion draft via trade.  Sbisa is going to Vegas.  We gotta keep Tanev and Guddy for leadership.

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57 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said:

I think he makes the team out of training camp. He is too good to go back to junior. Benning will make room for him one way or another. I expect at least one D to be traded by September. Maybe one even gets picked up by Vegas... *cough Edler *cough...

Why would we give up that much value for nothing?

That would be a very stupid idea. 

Stupid.