Fred65 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Remember this of ALL defencemen in the AHL Juolevi is 1 spot from the bottom with a +/- of minus -6 . Only Daniel Brickley is worse with a minus -7. and he I might add was undrafted player from Minnesota State, rather than a to 5 pick https://theahl.com/stats/player-stats/all-teams/61?playertype=skater&position=defencemen&rookie=no&sort=plus_minus&statstype=standard&page=13&league=4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cyoung Posted October 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Remember this of ALL defencemen in the AHL Juolevi is 1 spot from the bottom with a +/- of minus -6 . Only Daniel Brickley is worse with a minus -7. and he I might add was undrafted player from Minnesota State, rather than a to 5 pick https://theahl.com/stats/player-stats/all-teams/61?playertype=skater&position=defencemen&rookie=no&sort=plus_minus&statstype=standard&page=13&league=4 Fred... Fred, Fred.... It's +/- would you relax lol 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Remember this of ALL defencemen in the AHL Juolevi is 1 spot from the bottom with a +/- of minus -6 . Only Daniel Brickley is worse with a minus -7. and he I might add was undrafted player from Minnesota State, rather than a to 5 pick https://theahl.com/stats/player-stats/all-teams/61?playertype=skater&position=defencemen&rookie=no&sort=plus_minus&statstype=standard&page=13&league=4 He also has 5 points in 8 games. A much more telling stat. We gotta remember he's a rookie in this league and he's just coming back from injury. Not that plus-minus is a very fair way to gauge a player anyways. From the sounds of it the coach is playing him in all situations and he's getting better and better as he gains confidence. Patience people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 26 minutes ago, cyoung said: Fred... Fred, Fred.... It's +/- would you relax lol freaking Fred's man 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Hopefully he can continue to settle in and prove that he deserves a shot in the NHL by mid November or December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 52 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Remember this of ALL defencemen in the AHL Juolevi is 1 spot from the bottom with a +/- of minus -6 . Only Daniel Brickley is worse with a minus -7. and he I might add was undrafted player from Minnesota State, rather than a to 5 pick https://theahl.com/stats/player-stats/all-teams/61?playertype=skater&position=defencemen&rookie=no&sort=plus_minus&statstype=standard&page=13&league=4 +/- is a terrible stat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, DeNiro said: He also has 5 points in 8 games. A much more telling stat. We gotta remember he's a rookie in this league and he's just coming back from injury. Not that plus-minus is a very fair way to gauge a player anyways. From the sounds of it the coach is playing him in all situations and he's getting better and better as he gains confidence. Patience people. Exactly, +/- is alright... But it's not the most honest stat for someones individual game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BananaMash Posted October 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2018 51 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Remember this of ALL defencemen in the AHL Juolevi is 1 spot from the bottom with a +/- of minus -6 . Only Daniel Brickley is worse with a minus -7. and he I might add was undrafted player from Minnesota State, rather than a to 5 pick https://theahl.com/stats/player-stats/all-teams/61?playertype=skater&position=defencemen&rookie=no&sort=plus_minus&statstype=standard&page=13&league=4 +/- can be a decent stat, but you really have to look at the context of it for it to be valuable at all. In the case of the Comets and Juolevi, I don't think his -6 is anything to be particularly worried about at all. Juolevi by all accounts I've read is being played in all situations. He's likely receiving a decent amount of ice time (though I can't find any numbers). He's simply out there with more opportunity to be scored against than a lot of players. Normally this wouldn't be a very good excuse, but when you look at the Comets stats as a whole it starts to make sense. Kublukov and Bachman have 0.898 and 0.870 save percentages respectively. They've been receiving fairly poor goaltending with Demko out. If you're on the ice a lot, and your goalies can't make saves, you're going to pick up a few unfair minuses. There are only 8 positive players on Utica, and 16 in the negative. This isn't just a Juolevi issue. It's a team wide issue. He does need to work on his defensive game, but at the moment I would be way more impressed with his point totals than disappointed in the -6. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, J-P said: Yeah but NVM he's still a draft bust ;-) There's only 4 or 5 I would have taken ahead of him but he's got time still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kushman Posted October 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Fred65 said: Remember this of ALL defencemen in the AHL Juolevi is 1 spot from the bottom with a +/- of minus -6 . Only Daniel Brickley is worse with a minus -7. and he I might add was undrafted player from Minnesota State, rather than a to 5 pick https://theahl.com/stats/player-stats/all-teams/61?playertype=skater&position=defencemen&rookie=no&sort=plus_minus&statstype=standard&page=13&league=4 1 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Fred65 said: Remember this of ALL defencemen in the AHL Juolevi is 1 spot from the bottom with a +/- of minus -6 . Only Daniel Brickley is worse with a minus -7. and he I might add was undrafted player from Minnesota State, rather than a to 5 pick https://theahl.com/stats/player-stats/all-teams/61?playertype=skater&position=defencemen&rookie=no&sort=plus_minus&statstype=standard&page=13&league=4 Horvat was -30 in his second season with the Canucks. Drew Doughty was a -17 in his first season with the Kings. Erik Karlsson has been a - more than he has been a + in the NHL. Also noteworthy that most of the Comets are a minus. It's much more of a team issue than it is a Juolevi issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Horvat was -30 in his second season with the Canucks. Drew Doughty was a -17 in his first season with the Kings. Erik Karlsson has been a - more than he has been a + in the NHL. Also noteworthy that most of the Comets are a minus. It's much more of a team issue than it is a Juolevi issue. For comparison, Alex Biega is a -3 in only 2 games, and he's a pretty established AHLer. But Juolevi has the worst plus-minus on the team, therefore he's garbage and we should trade him ASAP. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ Fletcher Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Fred65 said: Remember this of ALL defencemen in the AHL Juolevi is 1 spot from the bottom with a +/- of minus -6 . Only Daniel Brickley is worse with a minus -7. and he I might add was undrafted player from Minnesota State, rather than a to 5 pick https://theahl.com/stats/player-stats/all-teams/61?playertype=skater&position=defencemen&rookie=no&sort=plus_minus&statstype=standard&page=13&league=4 3 hours ago, cyoung said: Fred... Fred, Fred.... It's +/- would you relax lol 3 hours ago, Odd. said: freaking Fred's man Fred would be picking up a few minuses if it were still possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 21 hours ago, 73 Percent said: It's very encouraging! He is improving, his last game was his best so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, RJ Fletcher said: Fred would be picking up a few minuses if it were still possible. No jokes Cdc, where +/- actually does matter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 hours ago, cyoung said: Fred... Fred, Fred.... It's +/- would you relax lol Pffft not a chance, Crosby had 109 points and was only +15 one year Subban had 51 points in Nashville and was only a +4 one year Hedman had 72 points! Only a +3 Obviously +/- is super important as only one of those players was drafted outside of the top 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Pffft not a chance, Crosby had 109 points and was only +15 one year Subban had 51 points in Nashville and was only a +4 one year Hedman had 72 points! Only a +3 Obviously +/- is super important as only one of those players was drafted outside of the top 3 +/- is just an indicator of how sheltered your minutes are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warhippy Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 14 hours ago, The_Rocket said: +/- is just an indicator of how sheltered your minutes are of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longsuffering Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 If he has 5 points and is still minus 6... that is pretty dismal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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