2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017

[Odd.]

Very nice clip of breaking down Hischier's speed. Watch the video up until the 5 minute mark, then skip to 11:00. Very solid breakdown of Hischier's speed and how he might be even faster than Connor McDavid and Pavel Bure are at full flight. The video also states that Halifax Moosehead's arena have a 54ft neutral zone and in the NHL the neutral zone is 50ft. Back when Bure was playing, it was 58ft. 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 25, 2016 by Odd.

[Blömqvist]

5 hours ago, Odd. said:

Very nice clip of breaking down Hischier's speed. Watch the video up until the 5 minute mark, then skip to 11:00. Very solid breakdown of Hischier's speed and how he might be even faster than Connor McDavid and Pavel Bure are at full flight. The video also states that Halifax Moosehead's arena have a 54ft neutral zone and in the NHL the neutral zone is 50ft. Back when Bure was playing, it was 58ft. 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting... Ferraro was on TSN1040 and said that in his opinion, McDavid is faster than Bure and that McDavid is the fastest player in the game right now.

[canuckpuckluck1]

23 hours ago, Odd. said:

Honestly, you can't go wrong with Middlestadt, Hischier, Tolvanen, or Vilardi. Obviously if we finish top 3 it's either Patrick or Liljegren. 

 

And to be honest, Horvat is making a case to be our future 1st line 60-70 point centerman. In just his 3rd year in the NHL, Horvat's on pace for 60 points and nearly 30 goals. I would much rather get Liljegren who excites me more and will be our best defender this franchise has ever had. Doughty 2.0. Also bigger than Doughty too.

I couldn't agree with you more. Ive already stated I think the Canucks should take Liljegren if given the opportunity. Continuing to build from the net out is a bit painful in the short term but eventually us Canucks fans are going to be ecstatic with the team. Patience as a fan is the key

[NotJaredMcCann]

8 hours ago, Odd. said:

Very nice clip of breaking down Hischier's speed. Watch the video up until the 5 minute mark, then skip to 11:00. Very solid breakdown of Hischier's speed and how he might be even faster than Connor McDavid and Pavel Bure are at full flight. The video also states that Halifax Moosehead's arena have a 54ft neutral zone and in the NHL the neutral zone is 50ft. Back when Bure was playing, it was 58ft. 

 

 

 

 

Nice video, obviously the kid has some serious wheels. However, when it comes to the comparison part (especially with McDavid and Mackinnon), it seemed as though the players he was being compared to were carrying the puck, whereas he was simply skating full out in pursuit. As elite a skater as he might be, it's a whole other animal carrying and handling the puck at that speed. It's what separates the McDavids and Mackinnons from the Raymonds and Hansens. It's also what makes me think we might have a future #1 center in Horvat already. When Bo gets going, his hands and brain can keep up with his skating.

I like Hischier and I'm going to have to watch more tape on him. Obviously the trend in the league is towards a fast, skilled game and he could definitely develop into an exciting player in the NHL. As unheralded as this year's draft is, it has the potential to produce some gems like the 2014 draft (also though of as not really having a franchise player and then Ekblad exploded).

[Canucks Curse]

On November 22, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Blömqvist said:

 

Ya I've heard some people say loosely that he is the "Swiss Crosby." Good skater, good stick skills, and good playmaker.

 

If we don't land Patrick, and considering our need for a #1C, Hischier and Middelstadt look like good elite-offense options.

 

Any other centres in the top 10 or top 5?

This team is not good enough to get out of the bottom 5 teams

time to go full rebuild.

 

Trade:

burrows salary retained for 2nd and maybe resign in off sesson

 

trade Hansen salary retained for 1st

 

miller salary retained for 3rd

 

with cleared cap take on a bad contract along with an asset 

 

that's 6picks in first 3 rounds, let Benning do his drafting thing

 

[Boudrias]

3 hours ago, Canucks Curse said:

This team is not good enough to get out of the bottom 5 teams

time to go full rebuild.

 

Trade:

burrows salary retained for 2nd and maybe resign in off sesson

 

trade Hansen salary retained for 1st

 

miller salary retained for 3rd

 

with cleared cap take on a bad contract along with an asset 

 

that's 6picks in first 3 rounds, let Benning do his drafting thing

 

Benning has such an eye for talent I am confident his lists will be interesting. An outside the box deal would be moving the Twins to a CUP contender. Probability is almost nil realizing that the Vegas draft would place the acquiring team into a pinch.

 

On your vet movement list whether by trade or UFA would be Burrows, Skille, Biega and Dorsett. Not all will go. I can see one retained. Burros is having a good season and both he and Dorsett could have TDL value.

 

The Canuck d-core is improving faster than I would have thought. They have potential to finish the season higher in the standings than expected. I had thought they would draft top 5 but that might end up top 10.

[Alflives]

4 hours ago, Canucks Curse said:

This team is not good enough to get out of the bottom 5 teams

time to go full rebuild.

 

Trade:

burrows salary retained for 2nd and maybe resign in off sesson

 

trade Hansen salary retained for 1st

 

miller salary retained for 3rd

 

with cleared cap take on a bad contract along with an asset 

 

that's 6picks in first 3 rounds, let Benning do his drafting thing

 

Exactly how many guys has JB traded AWAY for much needed picks/assets at his previous trade deadlines?  

[cyoung]

7 hours ago, Canucks Curse said:

This team is not good enough to get out of the bottom 5 teams

time to go full rebuild.

 

Trade:

burrows salary retained for 2nd and maybe resign in off sesson

 

trade Hansen salary retained for 1st

 

miller salary retained for 3rd

 

with cleared cap take on a bad contract along with an asset 

 

that's 6picks in first 3 rounds, let Benning do his drafting thing

 

Are you kidding me.... Burrows a 2nd? Hansen a 1st!?! Oh God.  The ignorance. 

[Rush17]

7 hours ago, Canucks Curse said:

This team is not good enough to get out of the bottom 5 teams

time to go full rebuild.

 

Trade:

burrows salary retained for 2nd and maybe resign in off sesson

 

trade Hansen salary retained for 1st

 

miller salary retained for 3rd

 

with cleared cap take on a bad contract along with an asset 

 

that's 6picks in first 3 rounds, let Benning do his drafting thing

 

we cannot retain more then 2 salaries at the moment. Lou counts as one of our three each team is given. would make more sense to retain on burr and Miller since their contracts expire in the off season. then maybe move Hansen out in the summer.  I think his cap hit is pretty friendly though and we may want to keep 2 open for the sedins if we ever opt to trade them. 

 

I think this team is either playoff bound or Nolan Patrick bound.  I hope it's the playoffs. with a good drafting Gm we can still unearth some gems.  look at Brock Boeser. too be fair jb was surprised he fell he wanted to move up to get him but he stood pat and he slid.

 

I hope we do make the playoffs at least once more before we fully tank. the excitement around the playoffs are so fun.  bo and stech will really grow with a full playoff experience.  

 

Wouldn't be surprised if we saw baer elevate his play too now that he has some chemistry with the guys!

[KKnight]

4 hours ago, cyoung said:

Are you kidding me.... Burrows a 2nd? Hansen a 1st!?! Oh God.  The ignorance. 

Probably a little high. But, to remind you Burr has been playing great lately. Something like 7 points in his last 8 games.

 

 

A first for Hansen isnt exactly a huge reach, for what he brings compared to money hes paid. But, Yes most likely a pair of seconds or a second and third. 

[D.B Cooper]

On 2016-11-25 at 4:55 PM, canuckpuckluck15 said:

I couldn't agree with you more. Ive already stated I think the Canucks should take Liljegren if given the opportunity. Continuing to build from the net out is a bit painful in the short term but eventually us Canucks fans are going to be ecstatic with the team. Patience as a fan is the key

That kid looks like he is going to be incredible.  

The kind of Dman most teams dream about.      

Id pick him #1 if I had the pick. 

Karlsson blended with Keith.  

Sounds ridiculous. 

[Noble 6]

Right now, I would still take Liljegren first overall. I think his chances of being an elite defenseman are higher than Patrick's chances of being an elite centerman. He has the vision, agility, speed and hockey IQ to be an elite player in the NHL. Drafting Liljegren would give us one of the best defense cores in the league once everyone arrives:

 

Tryamkin (#4) - Liljegren (#1)

Juolevi (#1/2)) - Tanev (#2)

Hutton (#3/4) - Gudbranson (#4)

Brisebois (#4/5) - Stetcher (#4/5)

 

I don't think we could keep everyone as contract demands will force someone to leave along with ice time. If we landed Liljegren, I think we should move Hutton or Gudbranson for a forward to help fill out our forward core. That would be if everything went right though, which likely won't happen.

 

Imagine adding Liljegren this year and Dahlin next year...

[Odd.]

41 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

Skill, skill, skill and more skill.  Draft for skill and hockey sense

 

 

Translation: Nico Hischier please.

[Blömqvist]

On November 26, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Horvat is a Boss said:

Right now, I would still take Liljegren first overall. I think his chances of being an elite defenseman are higher than Patrick's chances of being an elite centerman. He has the vision, agility, speed and hockey IQ to be an elite player in the NHL. Drafting Liljegren would give us one of the best defense cores in the league once everyone arrives:

 

Tryamkin (#4) - Liljegren (#1)

Juolevi (#1/2)) - Tanev (#2)

Hutton (#3/4) - Gudbranson (#4)

Brisebois (#4/5) - Stetcher (#4/5)

 

I don't think we could keep everyone as contract demands will force someone to leave along with ice time. If we landed Liljegren, I think we should move Hutton or Gudbranson for a forward to help fill out our forward core. That would be if everything went right though, which likely won't happen.

 

Imagine adding Liljegren this year and Dahlin next year...

 

If we are in a position to take Liljegren then by all means, if he is what everyone says he is then take him. In that case, I would much rather trade Tanev for a forward instead of Gudbranson because of the need for physicality.

 

Otherwise, if Liljegren is gone we should go with the forward with the highest offensive ceiling and hockey sense.

[Canucks Curse]

On 2016-11-26 at 8:53 PM, Horvat is a Boss said:

Right now, I would still take Liljegren first overall. I think his chances of being an elite defenseman are higher than Patrick's chances of being an elite centerman. He has the vision, agility, speed and hockey IQ to be an elite player in the NHL. Drafting Liljegren would give us one of the best defense cores in the league once everyone arrives:

 

Tryamkin (#4) - Liljegren (#1)

Juolevi (#1/2)) - Tanev (#2)

Hutton (#3/4) - Gudbranson (#4)

Brisebois (#4/5) - Stetcher (#4/5)

 

I don't think we could keep everyone as contract demands will force someone to leave along with ice time. If we landed Liljegren, I think we should move Hutton or Gudbranson for a forward to help fill out our forward core. That would be if everything went right though, which likely won't happen.

 

Imagine adding Liljegren this year and Dahlin next year...

too many D

having hutton on the third pair is a waste.

[TheHockeyNerds]

The two wildcard in this draft for me are top potential top 10 swedes that no one has talked about yet. Elias Petersson, who is putting up numbers similar to W. Nylander and Lias Andersson, who is playing well in the SHL

[Derp...]

I recall this draft being called not very good as well as last years, but this one is looking pretty sharp in the top 40 or 50. Probably a lot of NHLers in there. Hope we do the right thing and get some picks! 

[cyoung]

On 26/11/2016 at 5:03 PM, KKnight said:

Probably a little high. But, to remind you Burr has been playing great lately. Something like 7 points in his last 8 games.

 

 

A first for Hansen isnt exactly a huge reach, for what he brings compared to money hes paid. But, Yes most likely a pair of seconds or a second and third. 

Doesn't matter man,  burrows would pull a third max.  Hansen  would be a second max.  

 

Can't make the mistake of overvaluing our players,  that's why people get so discouraged when we don't get the return we expect on trades. 

[komodo0921]

On 26/11/2016 at 8:37 PM, Odd. said:

Translation: Nico Hischier please.

I really like this kids skillet but the thing I really like is his attitude. He, staight up, says that he knows he needs to work on his defensive game and is going to work hard to improve. This willingness to admit to and eagerness, to work on, his weaknesses, very much reminds of another future Canucks named Boeser. And what has he done? 45 points in 26 games and is a plus 7. Sounds like a winner to me. If he keeps up the pace, there could be a dark horse for 1st overall. His ability to play multiple positions only increases his value. 

I think he's, quickly, become my new favorite.

[Warhippy]

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-patrick-liljegren-occupy-top-two-spots-1.620528

 

Nolan Patrick of the Brandon Wheat Kings and Timothy Liljegren of the Swedish club Rogle occupy the top two spots in the November Craig’s List for the 2017 NHL Entry Draft.

 

Patrick, a centre, maintains his hold on the top spot from September, while Liljegren, a defenceman, remains in second.

 

Despite having only skated in a combined 10 games this season because of injury - Patrick with an upper-body injury after off-season sports hernia surgery and Liljegren with a bout of mononucleosis - no other player has demonstrated more potential than those two.

 

 

Patrick, who has nine points in six games this season, could end up playing in the fewest number of regular-season games by a first-overall pick since Gord Kluzak’s 38 in 1981-82 for the Billings Bighorns ahead of his selection by the Boston Bruins. The Wheat Kings have 48 games remaining.  

 

The top two prospects aren’t likely to meet at the 2017 World Junior Hockey Championship in Montreal and Toronto. Patrick was named to Canada’s selection camp roster Tuesday, but there is an expectation that he’ll need to be healthy and playing in WHL games before camp begins in Blainville, Que., on Dec. 11 to have a shot at making Team Canada. Liljegren is not expected to be on Team Sweden.

 

No. 3 Eeli Tolvanen of the Sioux City Musketeers in the United States Hockey League is a dynamic scoring winger who shows all the abilities of a gifted scorer and takes advantage of opportunities.

 

Centre Gabe Vilardi of the Windsor Spitfires was injured at the outset of the season, returned, and was very productive before suffering appendicitis and finding himself sidelined once again. Rated fourth on our board, his ability to generate offence and create scoring chances puts him in position to be in the discussion at the top of the draft.

 

Fifth-ranked Nico Hischier of the Halifax Mooseheads, a centre, has literally found his stride and is showing the ability to be a very dangerous and prolific offensive threat.

Martin Necas has been a very good player with Brno in the Czech Extra League, no easy feat for a 17-year-old centre. Our No. 6 possesses a high skill level and a determination to make things happen.

 

Nikita Popugaev, a very talented Russian forward playing in Moose Jaw, finds his way into the top 10 in the seventh spot and very well could be another player who challenges at the top of the draft in June.

 

With Patrick and Liljegren not having the games played to showcase their talents this season, the door is open for others to challenge at the top of the draft. While the opportunity exists, and some players have shown the potential, no one has been able to truly seize the day.

 

While there is a lot of time for evaluation before the draft, the return to play by Patrick and Liljegren may very well shut the door for others, making this a decision at first overall between a top-end centre and a top-end defenceman.

 

 

Craig's List - November Ranking

 

RK	PLAYER	TEAM	POS	HT	WT	GP	G	P
1	Nolan Patrick	Brandon (WHL)	C	6'2 ¾	198	6	4	9
2	Timothy Liljegren	Rögle (SHL)	D	6'0	191	4	0	2
2	Eeli Tolvanen	Sioux City (USHL)	RW	5'10 ¼	170	19	13	22
4	Gabe Vilardi	Windsor (OHL)	C	6'3	201	16	9	22
5	Nico Hischier	Halifax (QMJHL)	C	6'0 ¾	176	26	22	45
6	Martin Necas	Brno (Czech)	C	6'0 ½	167	25	5	12
7	Nikita Popugaev	Moose Jaw (WHL)	LW	6'5 ½	204	25	19	37
8	Ryan Poehling	St. Cloud St. (NCAA)	C	6'2 ½	202	11	3	5
9	Lias Andersson	HV71 (SHL)	LW/RW/C	5'11 ¼	198	20	4	8
10	Casey Mittelstadt	Green Bay (USHL)	C	6'0 ¼	194	16	8	21
11	Klim Kostin	Moscow (KHL)	RW	6'3	196	8	0	0
12	Matthew Strome	Hamilton (OHL)	LW	6'3 ½	206	25	15	27
13	Shane Bowers	Waterloo (USHL)	C	6'1 ¼	178	19	8	16
14	Kailer Yamamoto	Spokane (WHL)	RW	5'7 ½	153	21	17	31
15	Cody Glass	Portland (WHL)	C/RW	6'1 ¾	180	26	13	37
16	Michael Rasmussen	Tri-City (WHL)	C/LW	6'5 ¾	215	27	20	33
17	Owen Tippett	Mississuaga (OHL)	RW	6'1½	202	24	18	28
18	Elias Pettersson	Timrå (Sweden-Als)	LW	6'1 ¼	156	22	10	23
19	Miro Heiskanen	HIFK (SM Liiga)	D	6'0	170	22	3	7
20	Nick Suzuki	Owen Sound (OHL)	RW	5'10 ¾	187	27	16	34
21	U-P Luukkonen	HPK U20 (SM Jr. Liiga)	G	6'0 ¼	170	18	1.56	0.917
22	Kristian Vesalainen	HPK (SM Liiga)	LW	6'3 ¼	207	5	0	0
23	Maxime Comtois	Victoriaville (QMJHL)	LW	6'2 ¼	199	27	8	16
24	Cal Foote	Kelowna (WHL)	D	6'3 ½	213	25	2	17
25	Noel Hoefenmayer	Ottawa (OJHL)	D	6'0 ¼	191	21	7	16
26	Grant Mismash	USA NTDP (USHL)	LW/C	6'0 ¼	186	25	7	17
27	Marcus Davidsson	Djurgårdens (SHL)	C	6'0	191	21	5	6
28	Nate Schnarr	Guelph (OHL)	C	6'2 ¾	180	21	8	14
29	Cale Makar	Brooks (AJHL)	D	5'10 ¼	171	25	9	27
30	Nicholas Hague	Mississuaga (OHL)	D	6'5 ½	206	23	8	17
31	Jusso Valimaki	Tri-City (WHL)	D	6'1 ½	204	27	10	30
32	P-Olivier Joseph	Charlottetown (QMJHL)	D	6'2	160	26	4	25
33	Isaac Ratcliffe	Guelph (OHL)	LW	6'5 ½	196	26	10	23
34	Henri Jokiharju	Portland (WHL)	D	5'11 ¾	176	26	2	14
35	Joel Teasdale	B-Boisbriand (QMJHL)	C/LW	5'11 ¼	190	26	9	22
36	Joni Ikonen	Frolunda (SWE-J20)	C	5'10	169	19	15	23
37	Morgan Frost	Sault. Ste. Marie (OHL)	C	5'10 ¾	170	26	11	24
38	Michael Dipietro	Windsor (OHL)	G	6'0	196	17	2.55	0.909
39	Markus Phillips	Owen Sound (OHL)	D	5'11 ¾	202	27	4	10
40	Maxim Zhukov	Green Bay (USHL)	G	6'2 ½	188	11	2.35	0.905
41	Mason Shaw	Medicine Hat (WHL)	C/LW	5'8 ½	180	26	5	40
42	Aleksei Heponiemi	Swift Current (WHL)	C	5'9 ¾	147	28	6	31
43	Conor Timins	Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)	D	6'1 ¼	185	26	3	20
44	Josh Norris	USA NTDP (USHL)	C	6'1 ¼	192	22	7	15
45	A. Crete-Belzile	B-Boisbriand (QMJHL)	D	6'0	186	14	0	2
46	Antoine Morand	A-Bathurst (QMJHL)	C	5'10	178	27	13	28
47	J. Anderson-Dolan	Spokane (WHL)	C	5'10 ¾	180	24	10	19
48	Jake Leschyshyn	Regina (WHL)	C/LW	5'10 ¾	184	23	10	24
49	Tyler Inamoto	USA NTDP (USHL)	D	6'1 ½	194	24	1	5
50	David Farrance	USA NTDP (USHL)	D	5'10 ¾	189	25	4	13
51	Jake Oettinger	Boston U (NCAA)	G	6'4	203	10	2.02	0.922
52	Eemeli Rasanen	Kingston (OHL)	D	6'6 ¼	216	24	3	11
53	Jarrett Tyszka	Seattle (WHL)	D	6'2 ¼	190	23	2	11
54	Urho Vaakanainen	Jyvaskala (SM Liiga)	D	6'0 ½	185	18	2	2
55	Jason Robertson	Kingston (OHL)	LW	6'1 ¾	192	24	10	20
56	Evan Barratt	USA NTDP (USHL)	C	5'11 ½	188	23	5	19
57	Scott Reedy	USA NTDP (USHL)	C/RW	6'1 ½	204	25	8	17
58	Cale Fleury	Kootenay (WHL)	D	6'1 ¼	212	27	6	16
59	Robin Salo	Vassan (SM Liiga)	D	6'0 ¾	187	21	1	7
60	Ivan Lodnia	Erie (OHL)	LW/C	5'10	182	25	11	26
61	Mackenzie Entwistle	Hamilton (OHL)	C/RW	6'2 ¾	180	25	10	19
62	Greg Meireles	Kitchener (OHL)	C/RW	5'9 ¾	172	25	7	23
63	Ostap Safin	Sparta Jr. (Czech Jr.)	RW	6'4 ½	191
64	Artyom Minulin	Swift Current (WHL)	D	6'2 ¼	202
65	Ian Scott	Prince Albert (WHL)	G	6'3 ¼	174
66	Alexei Lipanov	HK MVD Balashikha (MHL)	C	6'0	165
67	Paul Washe	Tri-City (USHL)	C	6'1	191
68	Maksim Sushko	Owen Sound (OHL)	RW	5'11 ¾	181
69	Luke Martin	Michigan (NCAA - B10)	D	6'3 ¾	216
70	Cayden Primeau	Lincoln (USHL)	G	6'2 ¾	177
71	Michael Anderson	Waterloo (USHL)	D	5'11 ½	196
72	Clayton Phillips	Fargo (USHL)	D	5'10 ½	170
73	Ian Mitchell	Spruce Grove (AJHL)	D	5'11	171
74	Jacob Paquette	Kingston (OHL)	D	6'2 ¾	207
75	Stelio Mattheos	Brandon (WHL)	C	6'0 ¾	190