darkpoet Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 hours ago, J.R. said: I'm sorry but inflation and current market prices are not some intangible 'what-if's'. Nice sexist remark BTW. That's a nice addition to your work here today. They are what-if's when you assume they would affect a certain situation in a manner which never unfolded. You can't say "because of this he'd be making this now" You don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 24 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said: I could see JB throwing Gud a 6 yr deal around the $36-40M range as a cornerstone piece to the future. I would hope. Wow this needs edit***. What I was saying is I would hope for less than that!!!! Then I got distracted watching Russia Sweden and forgot I had started a post with I would hope and didn't finish my sentence. 28 minutes ago, Warhippy said: This is your argument? Burrows was a 30 goal scoring threat under $2.5 million. Murray won a cup in net for the pens last year under $1.5 million Wade Redden was making almost $7 million Scott Gomez was making $7.35 million a year GMs will pay players what they want not what they're worth. Karlsson and Keith signed sweetheart deals long term due to the issues with the former CBA and the ensuing lockouts/shortened seasons. Not mentioning Keith got $3 million in bonuses his first year, $2 million his second 1.5 his third and 1 million his 4th year this bringing his actual amount up We don't know what Guddy will be yet, he's only 24. We do know that Willie Mitchell was deemed expendable by no less than 3 different teams in his time then went on to win 2 cups as an integral top 4 on the Kings. It takes time, not money Don't bother hippy your in for so much stupid it will lower your opinion of the human race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 what is the big issue here??? every player wants the best contract he can get and most times they get it if worth it,so I do not see why anyone is going to not sleep cause of something in the summer wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, darkpoet said: Actually I feel good because he IS panning out. Just call em like I see em. Your talents are wasted on players so close to being established. You should instead go watch teenage players at 8 rinks and rip on them until they are ready to be established pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkpoet Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 10 minutes ago, cripplereh said: what is the big issue here??? every player wants the best contract he can get and most times they get it if worth it,so I do not see why anyone is going to not sleep cause of something in the summer wow That's the big issue. People are arguing whether he deserves it or not. Worse, some in here agree on giving it to him even if he hasn't. You know... "because he could get that somewhere else" or whatever... Man I wish my boss would think like that. "Man I better pay this guy way more money even though he's kind of an average employee, or someone else might steal him from me! Worse, he may even leave of his own accord!!!" ermergerd indeed lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Last season in Florida, Gudburger was paired with Willie Mitchell, a veteran D-man. Perhaps having an experienced partner had a calming effect on Gudbranson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkpoet Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 21 minutes ago, hammertime said: I would hope. Wow this needs edit***. What I was saying is I would hope for less than that!!!! Then I got distracted watching Russia Sweden and forgot I had started a post with I would hope. Don't bother hippy your in for so much stupid it will lower your opinion of the human race. You may not see my reply, but everyone else will. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 30 minutes ago, darkpoet said: He deserves to be our highest paying defenceman because he's our best defenceman, or not. One could argue that he is trending upward in such a way that his prospective rai$e reflects a surety of such (like we see with Horvat).... but it hasn't and it isn't. It's not about being the highest paid, it's about current % at the time of the signing. In 2013, when edler was extended the NHL salary cap was 60 million. Alex Edler was paid 5 million or 8.3% of the teams total spend. Today in 2017 the salary cap is at 73 million If Gudbranson was signed at 5 million he’d contribute to 6.8% of the teams total spend. Go back and think about the classic pie charts. 8.3% of 60 million is a lot bigger piece of pie than 6.8% of 73 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 If Gud ends up getting 4x5m and Tryamkin ends up getting a similar deal to Guds expiring contract I would feel very comfortable with that especially if I was another player on the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: It's not about being the highest paid, it's about current % at the time of the signing. In 2013, when edler was extended the NHL salary cap was 60 million. Alex Edler was paid 5 million or 8.3% of the teams total spend. Today in 2017 the salary cap is at 73 million If Gudbranson was signed at 5 million he’d contribute to 6.8% of the teams total spend. Go back and think about the classic pie charts. 8.3% of 60 million is a lot bigger piece of pie than 6.8% of 73 million You and your abstract 'what-if' concepts! Oh, and @ForsbergTheGreat, the cap will actually be going up for the 17/18 season so it would be an even smaller percentage actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 24 minutes ago, cripplereh said: what is the big issue here??? every player wants the best contract he can get and most times they get it if worth it,so I do not see why anyone is going to not sleep cause of something in the summer wow There's this thing called a cap. If yer inflated-melon is TOO big & juicy - it don't fit. Then ya can't exist, play or sing songs.. So we talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, J.R. said: You and your abstract 'what-if' concepts! Ha i'm a visual person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkpoet Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, J.R. said: You and your abstract 'what-if' concepts! There ya go! Real Gud! REAL Gud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkpoet Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: It's not about being the highest paid, it's about current % at the time of the signing. In 2013, when edler was extended the NHL salary cap was 60 million. Alex Edler was paid 5 million or 8.3% of the teams total spend. Today in 2017 the salary cap is at 73 million If Gudbranson was signed at 5 million he’d contribute to 6.8% of the teams total spend. Go back and think about the classic pie charts. 8.3% of 60 million is a lot bigger piece of pie than 6.8% of 73 million I understand all of that. Do you think Alex Edler or Chris Tanev give two %$# about it though? No. they're (possibly) going to see a guy get a big raise for no good reason, making more money than they both are. If you don't think that kind of thing bothers players I've got news for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Pedan. You could drop this guy in today(at 600 f**king K) & he'd likely perform as well as Gud was doing. I don't like saying this either. HOPING EG's mediocrity was attributable to poor health. The tandem with Hutton was a botulism-plagued, dog's breakfast(that's putting it mildly). Paired with Tree, Hutton plays like he's just been helicoptered off a deserted-isle. DON'T LT-sign a hope-project. Whoever suggested about 4 mill, x 2 yrs gets a prize at the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, darkpoet said: I understand all of that. Do you think Alex Edler or Chris Tanev give two %$# about it though? No. they're (possibly) going to see a guy get a big raise for no good reason, making more money than they both are. If you don't think that kind of thing bothers players I've got news for you. Well first off Guddy is out producing Edler this year... And second of all it doesn't bother them because everyone has the opportunity to negotiate their value at the time of their contract. Do you think Keith holds grudges against Toews for making double his salary? Not a chance, if anything he’s gets upset with his agent for not getting more. Players understand how inflation works, players understand the risk they take when they sign a long term contract. If they really wanted to make true value they’d all sign 1 year deals and max out their value each year but they don’t because most players would prefer to lock up long term security. You can’t compare this to everyday life because very few contracts are signed for over a year and most contract have re-negotiation clauses, in the NHL there isn’t. Players do understand this and the understand the risk of it. Some of my friends just recently ran into an old teammate of mine, Glencross and he definitely wasn’t too happy about how he handled things, but he was never mad at teammates, just himself and the advice he was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I'd give him a decent bridge contract, something like 4.5M for 2 years and then re-asses. I've got a feeling he'll come into his own later in his career so it makes sense to see how he goes for the end of the year but really re-asses him after 2 more years. More importantly, Edler's 5M will come off the books in a couple years time, Hutton will need an extension soon (not over 4M I'd think with his sloppy +/-), Stecher will be commanding big bucks eventually and Juolevi will get a massive contract after his ELC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkpoet Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Have any of you see this? Just posted on canucks/facebook (not sure if link will show here) Guddy talking about his injury and that is was "lingering" and "towards the end of November it was decided to see a specialist".... so this guy could likely have had something going on with him almost the entire season - likely the entirety of November anyway. If his sub par play is due to some lingering injury none of us knew about and he comes back healthy and strong playing the way he should be, i'll glad eat all my words here. I wonder what it is. He doesn't say. https://www.facebook.com/Canucks/videos/10154844984162145/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, darkpoet said: Have any of you see this? Just posted on canucks/facebook (not sure if link will show here) Guddy talking about his injury and that is was "lingering" and "towards the end of November it was decided to see a specialist".... so this guy could likely have had something going on with him almost the entire season - likely the entirety of November anyway. If his sub par play is due to some lingering injury none of us knew about and he comes back healthy and strong playing the way he should be, i'll glad eat all my words here. I wonder what it is. He doesn't say. https://www.facebook.com/Canucks/videos/10154844984162145/ I'm going to go way out on a limb and say it was his wrist. You know, the one he had surgery on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said: I'm going to go way out on a limb and say it was his wrist. You know, the one he had surgery on? Good call, Herr! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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