Elias Pettersson | #40 | C

[Shiftynifty]

22 hours ago, Blömqvist said:

Another primary assist?

Yes, great pass and vision.

[Dixon Ward]

Only Kent Nilsson, Peter Forsberg, Markus Maslund and Tomas Gradin were ppg players or better in their 19 yr old seasons in the SHL.  Alexander Wennberg who was excellent last year had 21 pts in 50 games as a 19 yr old. He had 59 points last year in 80 games.

Elias could be special.

Edited September 24, 2017 by Dixon Ward

[SergioMomesso]

21 hours ago, Stanky Legs said:

He needs to gain 50 lbs before even considering the NHL.

Ahh no. He will be fine at 180-190. The extra weight is not helping Juolevi this training camp. A player with a high hockey IQ will do just fine playing under 200 lbs. the way he's adjusting to the SHL at such a young age is very promising. Hopefully he does the same when he comes to North America. 

[aGENT]

34 minutes ago, SergioMomesso said:

Ahh no. He will be fine at 180-190. The extra weight is not helping Juolevi this training camp. A player with a high hockey IQ will do just fine playing under 200 lbs. the way he's adjusting to the SHL at such a young age is very promising. Hopefully he does the same when he comes to North America. 

He's probably fine at 175+ honestly. ~10 lbs over the next 2  years, even for his body type is quite doable. 

[VegasCanuck]

3 hours ago, SergioMomesso said:

Ahh no. He will be fine at 180-190. The extra weight is not helping Juolevi this training camp. A player with a high hockey IQ will do just fine playing under 200 lbs. the way he's adjusting to the SHL at such a young age is very promising. Hopefully he does the same when he comes to North America. 

This, plus 1

 

Too many people think that he needs to be 200 lbs +. He's not a power forward, I see him more in the Gretzky type of mold (not saying he's going to be the next Gretzky). A guy who can skate and thread passes and create offense and get the puck to the front of the next where a power forward is making life difficult for defense and the goaltender. 

 

I think he'll come into the league around the 175 - 178 mark and probably play most of his career between 185 - 190 range. He doesn't have to be massive to be a strong player!

Edited September 24, 2017 by VegasCanuck

[Erik Karlsson]

17 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

This, plus 1

 

Too many people think that he needs to be 200 lbs +. He's not a power forward, I see him more in the Gretzky type of mold (not saying he's going to be the next Gretzky). A guy who can skate and thread passes and create offense and get the puck to the front of the next where a power forward is making life difficult for defense and the goaltender. 

 

I think he'll come into the league around the 175 - 178 mark and probably play most of his career between 185 - 190 range. He doesn't have to be massive to be a strong player!

Yeah it's ridiculous, Gaudreau is 157, Marner 175, P kane 178, Ennis 175, lots of guys who are small and very successful in the league. I know some of those are elite players, but Petterson has that kind of skill imo.

[Rollieo Del Fuego]

Scoring goals is in the hands and head...there are not many player's who can do it as many ways as Elias can due to elite hands and head.

Take Eriksson for example he has managed to score up to 30 goals in the NHL ...but only scores greasy or "in close" goals ....so he got shut down last year due to a lack of good point shooter's providing rebounds for him.

 

Elias is going to be one of those player that you can't really shut down...eventually he's going to set up a tap in or score from nowhere...on a broken play...

 

It doesn't matter if he scores like a 200 Lb.'r or a 175 Lb.'r....they both count the same.

[Ihatetomatoes]

1 hour ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said:

Scoring goals is in the hands and head...there are not many player's who can do it as many ways as Elias can due to elite hands and head.

Take Eriksson for example he has managed to score up to 30 goals in the NHL ...but only scores greasy or "in close" goals ....so he got shut down last year due to a lack of good point shooter's providing rebounds for him.

 

Elias is going to be one of those player that you can't really shut down...eventually he's going to set up a tap in or score from nowhere...on a broken play...

 

It doesn't matter if he scores like a 200 Lb.'r or a 175 Lb.'r....they both count the same.

IMO the amount of weight Elias can put onto his small frame is going to be the difference of him being an elite first line center or just a good first line center.

 

If he just puts on 15lbs and ends up in the 180lb range he has the talent to put up points but won't be able to take over games like a Backstrome can do because he can dominate and control the pace of the game.

 

If Elias can get up to that 190+lb range not only will he have the elite talent and smarts he'll be able to protect the puck and win board battles. If he gets there I can see him being a ppg elite top line center.

[Diamonds]

For all of you people listing lighter players, you do realize weight is proportional right? A 5ft tall man who weighs 200lbs is very different from a 7ft tall man who weighs 200lbs. One is probably obese and the other is going to be really skinny. Extreme example, but the players everyone keeps bring up are almost all under 6ft. Pettersson is 6'2".

 

Take Patrick Kane for example. At 5'11" and 178lbs he has a BMI of 24.8. Pettersson on the other hand at 6'2" would need to weigh 193lbs to be at the same BMI. I realize BMI isn't necessarily the best health measure (someone like Chris Higgins is considered overweight and we've all seen those abs) but it does give a pretty decent metric for looking at proportions. Even Gaudreau's BMI is 23.2 which would be 182lbs for someone 6'2".

 

Now I haven't seen anyone saying Pettersson needs to be at 200+lbs to play in the NHL (at least for a while) but it's not unreasonable to think he should gain 20-25 lbs to be able to take the physical abuse. He would still only weigh 185-190lbs. His skill is pretty spectacular but he is very skinny.

[Kungfudru]

He will be special 

Edited September 25, 2017 by Kungfudru

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, Kungfudru said:

He will be special 

Totally agree.  Super elite talent. 

[J-Dizzle]

22 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Totally agree.  Super elite talent. 

Dear lord. If this kid falters in development at any point people are gonna lose their minds lol.  

 

Looks good thus far but I'll hold out on declaring him a future elite talent... I'll be happy with a solid top six forward!  :D 

[Kungfudru]

1 minute ago, J-Dizzle said:

Dear lord. If this kid falters in development at any point people are gonna lose their minds lol.  

 

Looks good thus far but I'll hold out on declaring him a future elite talent... I'll be happy with a solid top six forward!  :D 

He will be elite quote me on it 

[J-Dizzle]

1 minute ago, Kungfudru said:

He will be elite quote me on it 

I'd rather not.... I'm not like some posters that want our prospects to fail  

[Canuck Surfer]

On ‎23‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 7:03 AM, Warhippy said:

Still not expecting him until 2020.  Hoping he plays 1 more full year over there then a year in the AHL to acclimate.  Do not rush this kid

I personally believe in the whole ''tryout'' concept with sports teams.  A guy can earn a spot, and still be sent down to the AHL if its not going well.

 

Its up to the player! 

 

On ‎24‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 9:10 AM, JamesB said:

 

 

Obviously the "50 lbs" statement does not make sense and I assume was not meant literally. More generally, just bulking up is not a good strategy. We saw the problems it created for Virtanen after last summer and it looks like it might have created problems for Juolevi to start this year. Here are some of the issues.

 

1. Putting on upper body muscle raises the center of gravity and therefore makes it easier to fall down and harder to maintain balance on the ice.

2. Putting on upper body muscle adds weight. Other things equal, more weight reduces skating speed unless quite a lot of the weight is in increased "fast twitch" leg muscles.

3. Bulking up often reduces flexibility, reflex, and coordination.

 

That said, the right kind of weight gain is good as, other things equal, more strength is better. But weight gain needs to be balanced (lower and upper body) and fairly natural. Ideally, it includes skeletal growth  (wider hips and shoulders) and more bone mass, as well as more muscle. And it is important to keep up with flexibility and coordination training along with strength training. Just doing bench presses is not a good idea.

 

All this means that the amount a guy can usefully gain is limited. Pettersson will no doubt fill out to some extent, but he will probably always be slim to the point looking of looking like the "before" picture in muscle-building ads (a la Charles Atlas for anyone old enough to recognize that name).

 

If he is 167-168 now, I could see him adding 12-13 pounds over the next year or two and that is probably enough (about 180 lbs) for him to play in the NHL He would probably continue to fill out a bit and maybe spend most of his career about 185 or so. That would make him similar to Henrik Sedin, who is listed at 6-2 and 183 on the Canuck roster on this website. Henrik has done ok at that weight. (I will settle for an Art Ross trophy and Hart trophy for Pettersson, as long as we get a Stanley Cup as well.)

 

This is consistent with what I seem to recall Benning said after drafting him -- saying they expect him to play at about 15 lbs more or so in the NHL.

There is a lot of myth in there James.  

 

And lets be a little honest? Jake did not bulk up. He got fat? Took a bit for granted which worked against him. Maybe it was muscle, but it was the wrong kind of muscle.  

 

It is also not like your incorrect either?  

 

Here is what I do know;

 

Weight for weights sake is not necessarily good.  Take David Booth who used to bulk up for three weeks, it seemed, every year before training camp. He would be over massed, and his muscles still in recovery from heavy sessions in the weight room. And he would pull abdominal and groin muscles. Pure bulk from heavy isolation exercises to particular muscles does not mean you have the strength and flexibility, or endurance you need for hockey muscles.  The first rule of thumb is your training can, should and must be very targeted to the sport you are in.       (another mistake of Jake.)

 

However a stronger upper body, if its lean muscle mass, is highly unlikely corrupt your center of gravity. Elias will need ''some meat on his bones.!'' Muscles absorb better than bone, and muscle bruises heal faster than bone bruises. Target training. And balanced training, is much more commonly advocated these days. With exertion and energy levels routinely designed to simulate the exertion of your sport and its intensity. Where as grunting out 3 reps on the squat wrack or bench press wont. Boxing and martial arts training, skip rope, heavy rope, medicine ball, the Grouse Grind with hand weights, cycling, swimming and hell, skating, taking shots while under aerobic duress, etc., can all be designed to rip your upper body without distorting anything. The general rule is add as much range of motion and aerobic capacity as you can while working out. Add explosive movements (speed bag, the rope, punching drills) not just controlled movements. And you will be much more closely resembling your sports activities than simple lug head weight lifting.

 

  Okay a picture I tried to insert of a guy doing a rope burn exercise keeps disappearing.

 

We should not assume because a guy puts on weight that its bad either.  Look at this guy above? What, again, is important is to consider is putting in the cardio, core and leg training the ice hockey player needs.  Petterson is an ectomorph. Like Wayne Simmonds. And Danny & Hank.  They naturally have longer limbs, higher levels of energy, but also sinewy muscles with very high levels of strength & flexibility in comparison to body mass. And core muscle from the right workouts. That's why The Twins can hold onto the puck with big bastard D men leaning on them in the cycle game. Putting on, or not putting on weight, will be more be reflection of diet, and whether you overtrain. When I ran marathons I got down to 158 lbs one year. But could still bench 285 lbs. My weight went down because I burned more calories. But my diet was not great either. And I went at it 7 days a week, not 3 or 4 with rest. The right balance and you can put on good weight.

 

If you do play with a higher body weight?  Fuel and rest become even more critical. Muscles will not stop you from being dextrous, explosive, controlled in your movement. The opposite actually. But also requires more energy. Simple physics. Energy expelled is equal to mass x acceleration. But you might run out of puff unless you are fuelled, and your body practiced & ready to do the 30, 40, 50 second shifts at the explosive intensity level required. Training must simulate beng able to stop, power full blast, exert puck control, hold off Dustin Byfuglien leaning on you? And with higher weight you have to make sure you burn off excess energy after every game, every muscle work out. Ride the bike or run after training. But then eat and have a rest the next day.

 

Guys like Kassian, Jake last year, were not trained well enough & diet savy to last full shifts. Until they figured out how to do it? 

 

Petterson came in second and 7th in the Windgate 30 second and 7 second peak power drills among the 107 odd guys tested at the combines. He's actually a way better, stronger and more explosive athlete than most know. Its what gives him the agility, and control he has at speed. It will also mean, he can put on weight if he has the right diet and training.  

 

Too much fuss over this topic!

Edited September 25, 2017 by Canuck Surfer

[Canuck Surfer]

For the record. ^ 

 

This is the heaviest I have ever criticized Jake.I also waited until he has appeared to turn the corner before I let anything loose. 

 

Although, I was a proponent of drafting Nylander. I was also not against drafting Jake. Preferred him to some of the other guys also trumped up by guys when bagging Jake.  I liked him because of the absolute raw athleticism he possessed. Fastest skating forwards. And backwards at his scouting combine. At 212 lbs.  It is rare a guy that size can move, as he does. I have also argued since, that it would surface once he got his poop together.

 

I actually, if anything slagged Nick Ritchie on the day. Thought he was big and slow. Preferred that Jake got fighting fit for his draft.

Edited September 25, 2017 by Canuck Surfer

[Butters Stoch]

1 hour ago, J-Dizzle said:

Dear lord. If this kid falters in development at any point people are gonna lose their minds lol.  

 

Looks good thus far but I'll hold out on declaring him a future elite talent... I'll be happy with a solid top six forward!  :D 

Super duper mega ultra elite

[Gaudette Celly]

5 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Petterson came in second and 7th in the Windgate 30 second and 7 second peak power drills among the 107 odd guys tested at the combines. He's actually a way better, stronger and more explosive athlete than most know. Its what gives him the agilty, and control he has at speed. It will also mean, he can put on weight if he has the right diet and training.  

As I recall, "wee" Willie Nylander (5'11, 169lbs) was #1 in mean power output at the combine as well.

[Canuck Surfer]

1 minute ago, Hutton Wink said:

As I recall, "wee" Willie Nylander (5'11, 169lbs) was #1 in mean power output at the combine as well.

Yes!

 

If you dig back far enough, I have a similar rant extolling drafting Nylander when that debate came up pre draft as well.

[messier's_elbow]

1 hour ago, J-Dizzle said:

Dear lord. If this kid falters in development at any point people are gonna lose their minds lol.  

 

Looks good thus far but I'll hold out on declaring him a future elite talent... I'll be happy with a solid top six forward!  :D 

What makes you think that?