BPA Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 17 hours ago, droid56 said: Joking, right? Yeah. But that's the GM that traded Hall and Eberle for . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Readership Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, aGENT said: That's my assessment as well. I doubt it will happen given they have McJesus and a desperate Chia (at least until they fire him/hire new GM) but they've really painted themselves in to an awful corner with all their contracts and trades. Trade Mc, Drai, RNH, Larsson and re-re-re-rebuild.... AGAIN around some of the youth they do have left (+the return from moving those guys) and with the few unmovable/un-valuable vets (Lucic, Spooner, Brodziak, Russel, Petrovic etc) to 'shelter'. They might as well fold the franchise if they trade McDavid. Everyone else should be fair game for trades at the right price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, RonMexico said: Mario Lemieux and the Pens made the playoffs once in his first 6 seasons. Did that ruin him? I don’t know because that has nothing to do with my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, AC Readership said: They might as well fold the franchise if they trade McDavid. Everyone else should be fair game for trades at the right price. The returns from him, RNH, Drai and Larsson would be a hell of a good start to a rebuild on top of Nurse, Boucher, Puljujarvi, Yammamoto, Benson, Bear etc If I'm ownership though, I wouldn't trust Chia to make ANY of those trades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, RonMexico said: Even today there is outrage over Bouchard and Yamamoto not being on Craig Button's top 50 prospect list. Desperate times on the prairies. Awful lot of CDC'ers wanted Bouchard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Readership Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, aGENT said: The returns from him, RNH, Drai and Larsson would be a hell of a good start to a rebuild on top of Nurse, Boucher, Puljujarvi, Yammamoto, Benson, Bear etc If I'm ownership though, I wouldn't trust Chia to make ANY of those trades Rarely if ever do you get equal value in a trade for a player like McDavid. Those players don't come around too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, AC Readership said: Rarely if ever do you get equal value in a trade for a player like McDavid. Those players don't come around too often. You're right, its very rare, but has happened. Lindros trade would be the best example (aside from McDavid already being a sure thing) Lindros for: Peter Forsberg, Mike Ricci, Ron Hextall, Steve Duchesne, 2 firsts and $15M. Quebec/Colorado got the best deal out of it, but Lindros in his first 5 years was such a dominant beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 5 hours ago, AC Readership said: They only way Edmonton moves some bad contracts if they add to the trades to make it worthwhile for other teams taking them on or if they just let them expire. If they choose to do the latter then they will be wasting at least 2-3 years of prime McDavid. I just want the Canucks to not do something stupid by making a dumb trade or go all in to make the playoffs. You have to remember the expansion draft coming up and I don't think to waive an NMC voids it completely so you can't take any bad contract that has an NMC unless it is one hell of a deal. I don't think that deal exists for Lucic, he's been that bad. It is another reason why I think trading Sutter or Baerstchi makes sense to trade now or this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, AC Readership said: Rarely if ever do you get equal value in a trade for a player like McDavid. Those players don't come around too often. Probably not 'equal'. But I'd assume he'd garner a vet or two (to cancel some cap mostly), a couple top prospects and a 1st. Do those ever add up to a 'McDavid'? Probably not, but like I said, it would go a long way towards a rebuild. And I don't see they have much in the way of options given where they are with contracts and cap. Never mind the very real possibility of MCD simply requesting a trade at some point. He'd look AWFULLY nice on Nashville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Awful lot of CDC'ers wanted Bouchard... They still do too. But that's what happens when you use draft position as an indicator of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 The team that gets the best player usually wins the trade. And when you’re trading away the best player in the world, you’re never going to get enough back. As incompetent as the Oilers management is I can’t see them ever trading McDavid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, Bitter Melon said: The team that gets the best player usually wins the trade. And when you’re trading away the best player in the world, you’re never going to get enough back. As incompetent as the Oilers management is I can’t see them ever trading McDavid. Look at that Lindros trade posted above. At the time of the trade Lindros was the best player in the deal. Forsberg surpassed him eventually, but who knows if Lindros was able to stay healthy. So McDavid may be the "best player in the world" (best offensive player would be how I would word it), but you never know what may happen years down the road. Say McDavid was traded to the Canucks for Pettersson, Sutter, Markstrom, Hutton, 2 1sts, is it not possible that maybe Edmonton could come out on top? Remember that Quebec/Colorado won the cup with that trade being integral to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 23 minutes ago, Bitter Melon said: The team that gets the best player usually wins the trade. And when you’re trading away the best player in the world, you’re never going to get enough back. As incompetent as the Oilers management is I can’t see them ever trading McDavid. How about when he demands a trade out of that gong show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, aGENT said: How about when he demands a trade out of that gong show? I think he’s too much of a good ol’ boy to do that. He’d likely just bolt as soon as he becomes a UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prix57 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, Bitter Melon said: I think he’s too much of a good ol’ boy to do that. He’d likely just bolt as soon as he becomes an RFA I'm pretty sure a player of his caliber wants to win a cup in his prime and doesn't see that will happen in Edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 16 hours ago, Wanless said: So this is a half decent response, one that could have been your original response but instead you decided to go the route of class clown and not give up anything of substance. Also, if you looked into what Draisaitl does for the top line on Edmonton a little you would see that Leon’s game is elevated by McDavids game but also the other way around. Also on top of that, leon does the heavy lifting and battling for puck. That combined with his skill is deadly and being paired with Pettersson would also be a fantastic pair as Petey is actually also a sniper and natural goal scorer. And there would also be top line Center insurance if Peter goes down. on the other hand with Boeser and why I would be ok sending him to Edmonton is that his game is more one dimensional Don't agree with you whatsoever on any part of the hockey analysis or the mini-mod approach. Not sure what a wan is, you have less of something when it comes to alignment with how I evaluate the professional hockey players being discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, AC Readership said: Rarely if ever do you get equal value in a trade for a player like McDavid. Those players don't come around too often. I know times have changed, but Quebec won the Lindros trade. A more recent comparable would be Duchene to Ottawa. Colorado made out like bandits even though they gave up the best player in the trade. If they can't build a team around McDavid, what's the point in having him? They might not get what some perceive as equal value, but it's probably still better than him wasting away in Edmonton for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 36 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said: I know times have changed, but Quebec won the Lindros trade. A more recent comparable would be Duchene to Ottawa. Colorado made out like bandits even though they gave up the best player in the trade. If they can't build a team around McDavid, what's the point in having him? They might not get what some perceive as equal value, but it's probably still better than him wasting away in Edmonton for no reason. Everyone always brings up the Eric Lindros trade. The Lindros trade happened when he forced Quebecs hand and hadn’t even stepped foot on the ice yet. McDavid is in another stratosphere from Duchene. Neither of these are comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Been listening to cOiler fans chirping for years about how potent their offence is going to be one day, now they are looking for help at forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Darius said: Been listening to cOiler fans chirping for years about how potent their offence is going to be one day, now they are looking for help at forward? where are the gagner/cogliano/schremp shirts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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