filthycanuck Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 11 hours ago, aGENT said: Goodness... Benn in no way is worth $3m and Myers is not overpaid and only has 3 more years left after this one, not 5. My mistake on Myers contract term but hes massively overpaid. 6 million for dman thats 2nd or even third pairing some nights is too much. Benn is playing like hes worth 2 mill at the very least. 3 mill is a bit much but if he plays well like he is now, hell get a raise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I'm confused, I thought this was a Karlsson thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, filthycanuck said: My mistake on Myers contract term but hes massively overpaid. 6 million for dman thats 2nd or even third pairing some nights is too much. Benn is playing like hes worth 2 mill at the very least. 3 mill is a bit much but if he plays well like he is now, hell get a raise Myers ATOI has been over 22 minutes basically his entire career, including while playing here. Ask yourself if that's '3rd pair'. And no, $6m for a UFA aged dman is not overpaid. Massively or otherwise. Go ahead and show me the long list of top 4, UFA D who signed for less (particularly to a new team) and I'll concede your point. I'll wait here. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 18 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: I have to say that I was down on Benn, but he has played well with Hughes the past few games - we'll have to see what happens when the opposition gets tougher... like in Winnipeg and Montreal. Benn is playing for a contract and in the short term he benefits the team but OJ should be eating his minutes cause he is projected to be here next year. How is he suppose to get those minutes if Edler and Benn both FA at the end of the season are still eating big minutes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 17 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Benn is playing for a contract and in the short term he benefits the team but OJ should be eating his minutes cause he is projected to be here next year. How is he suppose to get those minutes if Edler and Benn both FA at the end of the season are still eating big minutes.... I think Canucks management is more concerned about winning now, and if Benn makes Hughes more comfortable, he will play at least until Hamonic is available. Much of what happens with young players depends on openings due to injury to players ahead of them, and on poor team or individual play of those on the active roster. Nobody is going to gift them a position. From his play, it is pretty easy to see how Hoglander jumped ahead of Virtanen ( a guy who had 18g and 18a in a shortened season) - he outworked him and was at least as dependable defensively. Juolevi has played well, but he hasn’t clearly outplayed the guys ahead of him. Guys who have played junior are familiar with this, it’s not enough to be good, the onus on management is to win, so to play good is not enough, you have to be better than the other guy that is equally good. Another factor standing in the way of newcomers is the record of performance of the vets. Edler, for instance, has been a valuable player in Vancouver for a long time. Management knows exactly what to expect from him. Juolevi, by comparison, is an uncertain quantity. Management and the coaches keep their jobs by winning- the uncertainty of uncertain quantities is a problem for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: I think Canucks management is more concerned about winning now, and if Benn makes Hughes more comfortable, he will play at least until Hamonic is available. Much of what happens with young players depends on openings due to injury to players ahead of them, and on poor team or individual play of those on the active roster. Nobody is going to gift them a position. From his play, it is pretty easy to see how Hoglander jumped ahead of Virtanen ( a guy who had 18g and 18a in a shortened season) - he outworked him and was at least as dependable defensively. Juolevi has played well, but he hasn’t clearly outplayed the guys ahead of him. Guys who have played junior are familiar with this, it’s not enough to be good, the onus on management is to win, so to play good is not enough, you have to be better than the other guy that is equally good. Another factor standing in the way of newcomers is the record of performance of the vets. Edler, for instance, has been a valuable player in Vancouver for a long time. Management knows exactly what to expect from him. Juolevi, by comparison, is an uncertain quantity. Management and the coaches keep their jobs by winning- the uncertainty of uncertain quantities is a problem for them. Almost said the same thing and I understand that it is the nature of the business. Hope to see OJ play more - he has the same points total as the 1 OA pick.... Edited February 1, 2021 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthycanuck Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 10:35 PM, aGENT said: Myers ATOI has been over 22 minutes basically his entire career, including while playing here. Ask yourself if that's '3rd pair'. And no, $6m for a UFA aged dman is not overpaid. Massively or otherwise. Go ahead and show me the long list of top 4, UFA D who signed for less (particularly to a new team) and I'll concede your point. I'll wait here. Players that come to mind, Morgan Reilly, Chris Tanev and Tyson Barrie. 6 million for a top pairing dman? Thats sounds about right, but not when you have another 6 million dollar man in Edler, and now (slightly paid less) Nate Schmidt who is definetly a top 4 dman. You can't tell me Myers is better than all those guys I mentioned (except maybe Barrie). Duncan Keith is getting paid around 6 mill and I'll take him over Myers any day even if he's old. Either way, don't really give a rats a$$ if you concede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 5 hours ago, filthycanuck said: Players that come to mind, Morgan Reilly, Chris Tanev and Tyson Barrie. 6 million for a top pairing dman? Thats sounds about right, but not when you have another 6 million dollar man in Edler, and now (slightly paid less) Nate Schmidt who is definetly a top 4 dman. You can't tell me Myers is better than all those guys I mentioned (except maybe Barrie). Duncan Keith is getting paid around 6 mill and I'll take him over Myers any day even if he's old. Either way, don't really give a rats a$$ if you concede Morgan Reilly signed as an RFA, not as a UFA. Tanev produces little offense/is a defensive specialist and signed during Covid. Barrie signed a short bargain deal because of Covid and a poor year prior, hoping to cash in later. Elder BTW is on a massive home town discount. People should appreciate the &^@# out of that guy. Schmidt... Another RFA. When did Keith sign that contract? How long is the term? Look at what legit, first pair D make as UFA's recently. Doughty, Karlsson, Pietrangelo (even with covid) etc. Your looking at between roughly $8-$12m for legit, first pair, UFA aged D. Well above Myers $6m. You're comparing apples to oranges. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 9:29 PM, filthycanuck said: My mistake on Myers contract term but hes massively overpaid. 6 million for dman thats 2nd or even third pairing some nights is too much. Benn is playing like hes worth 2 mill at the very least. 3 mill is a bit much but if he plays well like he is now, hell get a raise Benn won't be getting any raise, he'll be lucky to keep a job in the NHL. Remember Schenn? He played with Hughes as well and looked good. Veteran players content to play a role with have a chance of success with Hughes - because they don't try to do too much. On the other hand, they are replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Locke Lamora Posted February 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 10:18 PM, GarthButcher5 said: I'm confused, I thought this was a Karlsson thread. Lol, just came in here hoping to see how young Linus was doing. Maybe I should find a topic called “Canucks D-man discussion” and Karlsson will be the topic there. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Locke Lamora said: Lol, just came in here hoping to see how young Linus was doing. Maybe I should find a topic called “Canucks D-man discussion” and Karlsson will be the topic there. Same here. Linus is my avatar. and I saw the thread addition and thought "great, some more goals or assists" - instead, the 2487th post about how Myers is overpaid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 6 hours ago, Googlie said: Same here. Linus is my avatar. and I saw the thread addition and thought "great, some more goals or assists" - instead, the 2487th post about how Myers is overpaid Karlsson’s not doing anything, we are just pumping up his thread numbers to make him feel better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 19 hours ago, Googlie said: Same here. Linus is my avatar. and I saw the thread addition and thought "great, some more goals or assists" - instead, the 2487th post about how Myers is overpaid Yeah, well you know that it is very important for the "realistic fans" to crap all over any UFAs we sign, to ensure that Vancouver is a desirable destination for free agents. But have no fear, it's not just UFAs, they will be crapping all over Linus too, whenever he goes through a tough stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 8 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: Yeah, well you know that it is very important for the "realistic fans" to crap all over any UFAs we sign, to ensure that Vancouver is a desirable destination for free agents. But have no fear, it's not just UFAs, they will be crapping all over Linus too, whenever he goes through a tough stretch. Any player concerned about anything said on CDC is too delicate to play in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 15 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: Any player concerned about anything said on CDC is too delicate to play in the NHL. Right, because NHL players never read social media and are machines who don't have feelings. And who don't care whether fans like them or detest them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 46 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said: Right, because NHL players never read social media and are machines who don't have feelings. And who don't care whether fans like them or detest them. I'm sure they are coached to stay away from Canuck related social media, but the temptation is always there. In the end, they become 'thick-skinned' in order to survive. They also learn that regular fans really don't know as much about hockey and tend to be temperamental and irrational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Although listed as a Centre naturally, he seems to be playing a lot of the LW on line one. Ideally I guess they wanted him as a center, but you see his smarts along the boards as he wins puck battles, and uses his big frame to protect the puck. Very few players play their off wing, considering he is a right handed shooter, but it seems to really have fit him well. Definitely not a bad skater, but not the greatest, that I think the transition to the wing is better for him long term moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Although listed as a Centre naturally, he seems to be playing a lot of the LW on line one. Ideally I guess they wanted him as a center, but you see his smarts along the boards as he wins puck battles, and uses his big frame to protect the puck. Very few players play their off wing, considering he is a right handed shooter, but it seems to really have fit him well. Definitely not a bad skater, but not the greatest, that I think the transition to the wing is better for him long term moving forward. It's not that unusual for skilled forwards to play their off wing, especially in Europe. Edited February 12, 2021 by WeneedLumme 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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