Bure_Pavel Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, mll said: They feel Patrick is not yet good enough to be their C2. Gaudette was less productive while being extremely sheltered by Green. Fletcher wants impact players in return. They have cap space and Gostisbehere is only 4.5M. If they are asking for a legit 2nd line center then they can pound sand, they arent getting Horvat. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, peaches5 said: Philly needs centres and obviously, Horvat isn't going to Philly unless a lot more than Gostibehere is coming back. I think Philly would want Gaudette but who knows maybe if Hayes doesn't sign they will be up for Sutter + Tanev They are willing to move Nolan Patrick for an upgrade. That's not Gaudette. They are looking for a proven C2 - that's not Sutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smithers joe Posted June 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2019 fans want JB to make moves to improve this team. but they don’t want him to move the core or give up draft picks. he can only move guys not deemed needed and he has to win every trade. the benning haters will be out to crucify him, no matter what he does. they will say, we could have made better trades without giving up players and picks we want to keep. cdc is so wonderful. 5 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PhillipBlunt Posted June 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: The game is changing. At some point, to score, the puck has to get to the net, with net front presence. Heavier, stronger guys can cycle, when they get a mismatch in weight drive to the net front. It's nearly impossible to stop if the guy covering it too light, or isn't quick enough to get proper position. And before anyone mentions Petterson, that kid is relentless with the puck, rarely frazzled by larger players. While size is great, if the larger player doesn't use it well, it's pointless. I guess that's what I liked about how the Blues played. The smaller stature players played with heart, and played larger because they knew their team had an answer for the rough stuff, with guys like Maroon, Parayko, and the like. Edited June 14, 2019 by PhillipBlunt 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: I think Rathbone might be on our team sooner rather than later. He plays a lot like Krug. Not the tallest guy, but has high skill, IQ, and compete. I think Woo and Rathbone are knocking on the door as early as this training camp. As they earn it, they find their way in. That situation will maintain our D once we have the core. Likely some D emerge from our next could drafts as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, smithers joe said: fans want JB to make moves to improve this team. but they don’t want him to move the core or give up draft picks. he can only move guys not deemed needed and he has to win every trade. the benning haters will be out to crucify him, no matter what he does. they will say, we could have made better trades without giving up players and picks we want to keep. cdc is so wonderful. I think we are at the stage where we can move any pick outside of this years first and that includes all picks from next year as well. Only for core augmentation and not rentals though. It will complete our depth concerns because we acquire known quantities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, Pears said: Some, sure. But speed and skill always beats size. Tell that to Tampa, Pittsburg and Toronto. One of the biggest teams in the league won this year, and something like the last 4 years as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dombrova22 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 11th + Ghost + Patrick for Horvat is the offer I could see getting it done. Don't know if either team would be willing to get rid of that much though. Would have to think really hard about it, but I think I'd lean towards no. Edited June 14, 2019 by Dombrova22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: If they are asking for a legit 2nd line center then they can pound sand, they arent getting Horvat. Canucks don't have the pieces available that Philadelphia is looking for. They want proven impact players. They have put their 11th pick in play but Fletcher says no team has made a real push for it. They want a real good player in return - not a rental and not quantity. ROR just showed how teams typically lose when they trade the better player for quantity. The package Buffalo received is nowhere close to having the impact ROR had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, drummerboy said: Tell that to Tampa, Pittsburg and Toronto. One of the biggest teams in the league won this year, and something like the last 4 years as well. I wonder, if to win the Cup, that going through the playoffs makes it harder for the smaller guys to last to the end without getting so battered around they can't perform to the level needed to contribute? Some teams have their top offensive guys on PK and in shut down roles, and they take a beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, mll said: Canucks don't have the pieces available that Philadelphia is looking for. They want proven impact players. They have put their 11th pick in play but Fletcher says no team has made a real push for it. They want a real good player in return - not a rental and not quantity. ROR just showed how teams typically lose when they trade the better player for quantity. The package Buffalo received is nowhere close to having the impact ROR had. While Berglund is by no means the calibre of player ROR is, I think the unexpected derailment of his career made trade worse for Buffalo. Berglund was generally been a decent middle 6 center and player over his career, but he unfortunately couldn't make a go of it in Buffalo. It's too bad. Having Berglund might have helped shore up the middle 6 for Buffalo and also reduced center ice responsibilities for Mittelstadt. I agree that I can't see the Canucks being deep in the running for Gostisbehere but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kobayashi Maru Posted June 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dombrova22 said: 11th + Ghost + Patrick for Horvat is the offer I could see them wanting. Would have to think really hard about it, but I think I'd lean towards no. Horvat for me is close to untouchable but everybody has a price. This likely works out better in the end for us but I still can’t do it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bure_Pavel Posted June 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dombrova22 said: 11th + Ghost + Patrick for Horvat is the offer I could see getting it done. Don't know if either team would be willing to get rid of that much though. Would have to think really hard about it, but I think I'd lean towards no. For that package i would trade Horvat in a second. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Horvat for me is close to untouchable but everybody has a price. This likely works out better in the end for us but I still can’t do it. Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes, and Demko are the untouchables for me. Benning shouldn’t even bother with offers for them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted June 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dombrova22 said: 11th + Ghost + Patrick for Horvat is the offer I could see getting it done. Don't know if either team would be willing to get rid of that much though. Would have to think really hard about it, but I think I'd lean towards no. No way we trade Bo. Guys like Bo lead teams to Cups, providing the team around them is good. Oilers won how many with Messier? Kopitar on the Kings. Toews on Chicago. Lamaire on the Habs. Even Super Mario needed an aging Islander great to play that checking role before he won. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, aGENT said: Yeah he could work well as an 'all around' pair with Juolevi or as an 'all offense' pair with Hughes. Loads of flexibility there. So what are we willing to overpay to get him Marky + what. There other needs would be LD and a top 6 F, we haven't got a lot to give up there... Not sure Hutton or Baer or Goldy particularly move the needle. Virtanen maybe but he doesn't really qualify as top 6... Yeah don’t really know to be honest but there may also be options like taking on Okposo’s contract but not sure if it’s treated as negative value. High picks can augment too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Alflives said: I heard that interview too. It sure sounded like Loui has played his last game for us. I don't think it's possible for us to trade Loui without hurting us. He will get put on waivers, and assigned to Utica. He will not go to Utica. At that point, I don't know what happens? Plays in Europe. He is done in the NHL. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, Pears said: Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes, and Demko are the untouchables for me. Benning shouldn’t even bother with offers for them. McDavid and Draisaitl + 3 1sts for Horvat. Nobody is untradable. There is always a price. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 hopefully the two trades we make are for Gotisbehere and Miller from Vegas. im excited for next week! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Pears said: Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes, and Demko are the untouchables for me. Benning shouldn’t even bother with offers for them. I agree and I think JB has said as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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