Tell me im wrong. Edler is Worth 5 years @ 7.5 - 8 million per

[Alflives]

6 minutes ago, Glug Datt said:

we need something, that's for sure. 

 

JB's comments have led me to believe something BIG is going to happen this summer.. it's exciting 

Tryamkin coming back this summer? 

[IBatch]

7 minutes ago, stawns said:

I agree with most of that, but the truth is, they don't have a better option than Edler until OJ shows us what he might be capable of.  QH will never take on Edlers role, so if it comes from within, it's got to be OJ.

Absolutely.   I just don’t think Edlers the answer anymore, same thing happens every year him and Tanev go down and Green or whomever is left struggling to plug the holes with guys like Hutton and Stectcher (who both did admirably)...

 

What’s the definition of insanity again?  I can see why Benning is so busy and his name comes up with guys like Zaitsev (who he’s quoted as saying would be his 3rd or 4th option)...and overhaul is long overdue.  If Edler won’t sign two years with us and then go year to year, he might have played his last game already with us.

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Why not Gardiner instead?  His last three years he scored 30 in 60,  52 in 82 and 43 in 82, and was a tremendous plus 52 in that span (19, 9, 24).  Also for those that doubt his importance to TO after he went down they went on a dreadful losing streak and never recovered to close to early season form.

 

Over the last 7 years Edler has averaged 26 points.   Why does anyone think he’s STILL going to break through at his age and finally become the number one we all hoped for early on after his one off 48 point season (and that’s when we had the weapons and a number one PP).  It’s never going to happen.  

 

Rather have a guy whos going to play most of the games, even at a higher cost and term.  We need a better defense and can’t get it without paying for it through free agency OR with youth and prospects OR a core player in a trade.  To me this is a no brainer....Bennings going to be talking to Gardiner, Myers and Edlers camp the week before July 1....hope he doesn’t come up empty and or give in to anything too steep... 

Gardiner, imo, is a #5 guy who can jump into a top 4 role of needed, for short bursts......mainly for his offense (obviously).  He could take some of Eddie's PP time, but could never play his hard defensive mins.

 

Edlers defensive prowess is deeply underrated here I think.

[ItTakesAnArmy]

19 minutes ago, stawns said:

The question is, if they don't resign him to a market contract, who do they replace him with?  No dman on the team, currently, can fill his spot.

Schenn for defence and Hughes for offence.

Sign Myers or Trouba.

 

Myers isn't going to light up the lamp, he might it just isn't his role in Winnipeg, but he has range and if given a shot might surprise people

 

Lot of UFA defencemen available over 5'10" over 6'2" too.

Trade Stecher for Zadorov, the team still has more little dmen. Get big, big helps winning, big helps skill

Edited June 15, 2019 by ItTakesAnArmy

[Tyndall2]

Canucks--do not sign Edler.  Use that kind of money to attract more durable, reliable players.

[IBatch]

Just now, stawns said:

Gardiner, imo, is a #5 guy who can jump into a top 4 role of needed, for short bursts......mainly for his offense (obviously).  He could take some of Eddie's PP time, but could never play his hard defensive mins.

 

Edlers defensive prowess is deeply underrated here I think.

Gardiner has been TOs version of Edler for years.  Their whipping boy and goat. Read a very well thought out article that went deeply into Gardiners advanced stats, quality of opposition and the way he’s used when he was injured this Spring and how TO couldnt adjust to the gaping hole in the lineup.  An entire year like that and TO would be struggling for a wild card spot...his plus minus.

 

Like Edler they both make gaffes which lead to goals, and their importance to their teams is very high, and both are better suited on the second pairing.  You don’t become a plus 19 in 60 games if your not doing something right, especially when your a PP specialist and a lot of your points are on the PP right?

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said:

Schenn for defence and Hughes for offence.

Sign Myers or Trouba.

 

Myers isn't going to light up the lamp, he might it just isn't his role in Winnipeg, but he has range and if given a shot might surprise people

 

Lot of UFA defencemen available over 5'10" over 6'2" too.

If we could get Trouba that would be fabulous.  He is a UFA at the end of this coming season though.  How much do we give in trade to get Trouba, and (likely) only have him for one year?

[Dannydog]

10 hours ago, kloubek said:

I disagree with your evaluation of what Edler is worth on the open market.

 

We don't know for sure how much he wants to be here, but we can speculate he wants security and term in his next contract.

 

Nobody is going to sign a somewhat injury prone 33 year old to that kind of money and term.  Sorry.  Won't happen.  If that is what we were actually truly battling against then he can walk.

 

IMO Edler will get no more than 7.5 from any given team, and factoring in a NTC and term, that number falls.  The only way I could see 7.5 is from us, actually, and for a 1 or 2 year deal only while we don't need the cap. 

 

Edler has shown he lets his foot off the gas with term. His resurgence is no coincidence in a contract year. Signing him to big bucks for a long time would be a horrible idea considering he ain't getting any younger or more resillient either.

That last sentence is what a lot people don't see happening. Factor in age and durability, i believe anything more than 1-2 is a mistake. 

[IBatch]

4 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said:

Schenn for defence and Hughes for offence.

Sign Myers or Trouba.

 

Myers isn't going to light up the lamp, he might it just isn't his role in Winnipeg, but he has range and if given a shot might surprise people

 

Lot of UFA defencemen available over 5'10" over 6'2" too.

I think Myers will surprise a lot of people if he’s given the chance on the first unit PP.    You don’t score 48 points as a rookie without some offensive chops, especially as an 18–19 year old.   Injuries derailed his stay in Buffalo early on, and WNP gave him the third pairing spot because they wanted to groom Trouba into a number one to replace Byfuglien eventually which makes complete sense.

 

Whevener one of thems injured he makes the most of the second unit PP time...and scored over 30 points the last two years mostly 5 x 5.  There is a very small list of guys that can do that.  

 

His biggest risk is his injury history but he had played all but two games the last two years.  I think a Hughes Myers would make a great fit, they compliment each other and that he’s still got time to embrace a top line spot.  He definitely started with a bang. 

[IBatch]

4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

If we could get Trouba that would be fabulous.  He is a UFA at the end of this coming season though.  How much do we give in trade to get Trouba, and (likely) only have him for one year?

Sign Myers then trade him for him this summer ha ha...

[EdgarM]

22 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Absolutely.   I just don’t think Edlers the answer anymore, same thing happens every year him and Tanev go down and Green or whomever is left struggling to plug the holes with guys like Hutton and Stectcher (who both did admirably)...

 

What’s the definition of insanity again?  I can see why Benning is so busy and his name comes up with guys like Zaitsev (who he’s quoted as saying would be his 3rd or 4th option)...and overhaul is long overdue.  If Edler won’t sign two years with us and then go year to year, he might have played his last game already with us.

This has been the most frustrating problem that we have had for years. We get going then the injuries come and it all falls to pieces. Love Tanev and Eddie when they play but its time to move on and turn the page. It has been also been frustrating when Eddie has decided not to play full intensity when we really needed it.

Even if we have to suffer through growing pains with Hughes and OJ, I think its better then continuing down the same path that we have been following for years and years.

Getting help through FA will just be a bonus to add to Hughes and OJ. 

Just like 2 slow Sedins compounded our problem during the end of their careers, 2 often injured key dmen does the same thing. We are competitive when they play, and then, when injured, we tumble down the standings. Time for change.

Edited June 15, 2019 by EdgarM

[smithers joe]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

If we could get Trouba that would be fabulous.  He is a UFA at the end of this coming season though.  How much do we give in trade to get Trouba, and (likely) only have him for one year?

one of our untouchables or high draft picks.  unless they would take eriksson and goldie?  JB is in a tough spot. teams don’t  want our place holders.  they might take a beagle or roussel, but only as part of a trade. 

[wildwood12]

You are wrong

[Ghostsof1915]

36 minutes ago, Glug Datt said:

we need something, that's for sure. 

 

JB's comments have led me to believe something big is going to happen this summer.. it's exciting 

You are setting yourself up for disappointment. What the GM wants, and what's available are two different things. 

[IBatch]

5 minutes ago, EdgarM said:

This has been the most frustrating problem that we have had for years. We get going then the injuries come and it all falls to pieces. Love Tanev and Eddie when they play but its time to move on and turn the page. It has been also been frustrating when Eddie has decided not to play full intensity when we really needed it.

Even if we have to suffer through growing pains with Hughes and OJ, I think its better then continuing down the same path that we have been following for years and years.

Getting help through FA will just be a bonus to add to Hughes and OJ. 

Just like 2 slow Sedins compounded our problem during the end of their careers, 2 often injured key dmen does the same thing. We are competitive when they play, and then, when injured, we tumble down the standings. Time for change.

Nailed it.  mic drop...plus one hundred.

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, wildwood12 said:

You are wrong

It’s CDC.  Mostly we are ALL WRONG!  

[IBatch]

Just now, Ghostsof1915 said:

You are setting yourself up for disappointment. What the GM wants, and what's available are two different things. 

Ahh don’t be a party pooper.  Panarin and Duchene and Edler and Garndiner and Myers are in.  Out Schaller.

[ItTakesAnArmy]

8 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

one of our untouchables or high draft picks.  unless they would take eriksson and goldie?  JB is in a tough spot. teams don’t  want our place holders.  they might take a beagle or roussel, but only as part of a trade. 

Yes he is untouchable IMO, what might excite them is salary retention AND a player or two.

 

The only reason he is in a tough position is none of the draft picks from 3 and 4 years ago are good enough for the NHL.

 

Beagle and Roussel have M-NMC's which limits his choices. AND if he moves them now which FA will want to come here even with a no trade contract?

[Cup2022]

11 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

I wish you could tell me I'm wrong I really wish I was. And I know that some of you will tell me that I am and wont explain but I will tell you why I believe this.

 

Erik Karlsson 29, Tyler Myers 29, Jake Gardiner 28, And last but not least Alex Edler 33. This is the Ufa defencemen class of of 2019 that is it there are no others like them tier 2 defencemen is a major drop off lead by Anton Stralman 32 years old 17pts, Braydon Coburn 34  23pts, Ben Chariot 28 and 20pt, and Jorden Benn 31 22pts. The rest of this class of UFA defencemen are over agers lead by Kronwell 38 and Hainsey also 38 after that it's trash Del Zotto anyone.

 

But this is not the full reasoning other factors are; the Cap is expected to raise to 83mill for this season, the cost of top tier defencemen are going up aka Drew Doughty which means EK is going to be north of 10 mill per. His injury might have him at 10mill but most likely not, which drives up the 2nd tier of defencemen. Then you have to look at Myers and Gardiner both are younger but both put up fewer pts then Edler, not only by points but point per game as well. Edler this season was #10 in mins per game played @ 24:38, for Myers and Gardiner I didn't even find them in the top 50 they didn't even lead there teams in this category.

 

Myers was 4th on his team per mins @ 20:21 and tied second in pts on defence with 2 other guys that missed 20 plus game more then Myers. My opinion on Myers stay far away from him he is a Product of a very good defence and is a top 4-5 defenceman at best on any other team I would pay him no more then 4.5 million per season. 

 

Gardiner. on the other hand 21:13 min per game, 2nd on his team in pts and mins played. But with no time on the PK and second on the pp at just under 2 mins per game. In my Opinion Gardiner is a solid #2 defenceman his worst case scenario is #3.

 

So why is Edler worth 5 years  7.5-8 million per season. Simply Gardiner And Edler are 2a and 2b in this years UFA class of Defencemen. And the only reason I believe Edler gets 5 years and not 7 is due to his age. If we want to keep Edler and only on 2 years JB is going to have to offer him 8 million per year and that could just be the starting point for edler to turn down a 5 year 36-40 million dollar offer on July 1, 2019.

 

Side note Luke Schenn gets an offer of 2-3 year deal @ 2.5-3 million per.

 

Side note: Ben Chariot @ 4-5 Years or Jorden Benn at @ 3 years @3.5-4.5 million is away better way to go.

 

So all you all know Edler on a 5 year contract means year 33,34,35,36,37 he would only be 38 years old if he plays in the playoffs in his last year of this contract. 

No thanks 

[Fanuck]

Sign Eagle to a 2yr/6.5mil deal with NTC so he's UFA at expansion draft and won't have to be protected.  We can easily afford both that cost and the roster spot for two years.  Then, after ED, if it's mutually agreeable between the two parties he can re-sign here and retire a career Canuck.

 

This offer allows Eagle to stay here in the short-term with certainty and allows JB certainty that he won't have to protect him in the ED.  It doesn't have to be all or nothing between the two parties - there is a compromise to be had if both parties are interested.