combover Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Exactly! Miller is 26 years old. If we're still struggling in 2 years, he can easily be flipped for a 1st at the deadline. Teams covet players like Miller. When were struggling in two years it’ll be because player like Miller didn’t work out (softer eriksdone.....long list here) nobody’s paying a first for a 28 year old third liner. And we get to watch TB stand up and pick a player in the top ten. While still being a cup contending team. Stupid move by a bad gm. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: This deals screams to me that it's Playoffs or the boot for Benning next year, which doesn't make much sense given the Podkolzin pick and his timeline. Interesting take. Curious as to who you would have drafted at #10 that would have helped the Canucks this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Great Canucks Posted June 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) Why are people acting like Miller is trash? He is a legit top-6 forward that we NEED. Yeah, Tampa may have needed to shed some cap, but they weren't trading Miller because they thought he was garbage. Edited June 22, 2019 by The Great Canucks 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) Just to clarify, I’m all for the team’s success so we should hope for the best. I’m just really disappointed with the blow-back potential this trade has to bite us in the ass. So I pray it doesn’t ever reach that point Edited June 22, 2019 by Generational.EP40 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, DeNiro said: The Leafs just gave up a 1st to dump a year of Marleau's contract for comparisons sake. We got 26 year old with 4 more years on his contract at a good cap hit. This fear that we're gonna be a lottery team forever needs to stop. I'm getting excited for the first time in a long time that this team is rising out of the ashes. I also feel that at one point, u have to jump...u can't keep going slow and steady. Is it a risk? Absolutely but we can't just keep going at this slow rate. Clearly Benning sees an opportunity and took it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Well let’s say JT Miller single handedly drags us to the playoffs: His history shows we can expect a goal from him every second playoff run... sorry I thought JB was trying to build a Stanley Cup contender not a team that squeaks into the playoffs... at least I am pretty sure he’s said that a few times and is why I have been patient with everything he’s done up until now. I guess that’s not the case anymore. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, MikeyD said: If we needed to get rid of Horvat because of cap space, we probably wouldn't get a first round pick from a $&!#ty team. And Horvat is a better (and younger) player than Miller. Only 2 years younger and JT Miller put up 47 points playing 15 minutes a game on the 3rd line Bo put up 61 on the 1st/2nd line avg 20:05 a game. They're not as far off as you think. Also we would either get a 1st++ for Bo or not trade him. Stop the stupidity, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: The Leafs just gave up a 1st to dump a year of Marleau's contract for comparisons sake. We got 26 year old with 4 more years on his contract at a good cap hit. This fear that we're gonna be a lottery team forever needs to stop. I'm getting excited for the first time in a long time that this team is rising out of the ashes. This. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted June 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, hammertime said: _______Pete Boeser Baer Bo Pearson Virtanen Miller Leivo Roussel Beagle _______ Goldobin, Gaudette, Sutter That's a fast and feisty top 12 I'm fine with this trade Miller is a hell of a 3C JB isnt done I expect he will go hard after Panerin now and with Podkolzin comming Miller solidifies our lineup down the middle I don't think you're reading what they intend to do with Miller. He's a 50 pt player - playing with Cirelli and Killorn types in Tampa's middle six. I highly doubt the idea is to play him at 3C - when he's precisely the kind of addition that was needed to play with EP and Boeser. And - playing with EP and Boeser - it will be interesting to see where his production goes. He's an excellent cap hit - and term - at his current rate of production. Very good chance he upticks on that in this context. The lineup - with Horvat, Sutter and Beagle - should be able to furnish that line with some very good opportunity. I think this is a great addition. The only guy on the FA market that I'd consider a comparable - a guy I really wanted - was Brock Nelson - and the Isles locked him up at 6x6 as fast as they could. Miller is also younger than a Nelson who is also just entering his prime. I think MIller is actually a heavier presence and probably a better fit, with more upside, than Nelson. Great addition. You have to give to get - but imo they did not add a 3C here, they added the best option they have to play with EP. When you have an EP - it makes sense to go out and get a player that complements him imo. I would not have complained if they hadn't done so - but this deal is a case of identifying a very good opportunity at a reasonable price - and making a move that makes sense. 2 2 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Tricky one. I'm not happy about the trade because we could have found 15-20 goals and 40-50 points easily in the free agency market. Yes, Miller will actually cost us less cap-wise than splashing out in free agency but that 1st rounder hurts. JB is taking a big risk here, hence the condition. If we don't make the playoffs next season that pick is quite decent and he's assuming we'll be well off. Assuming we do make the playoffs, JB is guessing that we'll be continually getting better and hopefully that 1st rounder will be a 20-31st overall pick. This upcoming season really can go either way I think, and it looks like JB is going to spend to push this team into the playoffs. From a fan's standpoint of course we want to see the team win, from a more intelligent patient standpoint I'd rather we develop slowly through the draft with picks that rush into forcing the playoffs, however I think JB has a point - losing is contagious. Teams like the Oilers who burn out their young stars on a nightly basis by getting slaughtered just keep grooming that losing culture, and JB clearly doesn't want that to happen to his young players anymore, especially Pettersson. Boeser and Horvat have experienced years of disappointment, last year we made a big step in the right direction but I think with Hughes and Juolevi coming up soon, I don't think JB wants the entire young core to get battered on a nightly basis. He wants them to experience some consistent wins and hopefully the playoffs and I think you have to spend for that. If I were JB I wouldn't have done this trade many times over but with his drafting and this trade it's clear he wants more grit, he wants more fight and he wants more offence. J.T Miller is a tough forward who battles hard and that's something we saw the Blues and Bruins do right the way through the playoffs. It doesn't come up in the points tallies but Miller is a tough player and having these guys to complement our skilled forwards is exactly what we need. To be fair, the 1st is a big ask but I think Miller was a target JB has had for a while and he will really complement our current players well. I think for now the forward group is more or less set, might be nice to add a UFA on defence though and wouldn't be surprised if we see a Sutter/Eriksson trade now (and hopefully recoup a 1st or at least a 2nd or decent prospect). 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Torts Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, mpt said: Right and both years we are likely a lottery pick. 1st and a 3rd for a 3rd line center or mediocre 2nd liner on a non bargain contract = Fail No, I disagree with you. But hey we don’t have to agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 ZOMG we traded a first rounder!!11!!1! calm down people. It’s like everyone expects us to be bad forever and continue to draft near the beginning of the first round. You do realize that if you take ten years to “build through the draft” you end up losing the guys you drafted first when they hit free agency/command big dollar deals? some of you need to go cheer for the Oilers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel the Bure Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: The Leafs just gave up a 1st to dump a year of Marleau's contract for comparisons sake. We got 26 year old with 4 more years on his contract at a good cap hit. This fear that we're gonna be a lottery team forever needs to stop. I'm getting excited for the first time in a long time that this team is rising out of the ashes. Are you seriously compare Toronto situation to Vancouver ? Miller good player, good contract, but we can have same player for 2mln plus like you said, again, 2mln not cost 1,3 and a player. And if people disagreed or have another opinion its not a crybaby , just different views LOL 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podzilla Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 What a terrible trade, I can see a 2nd, but a 1st!? All I read last season from fans was how dumb Miller is and we trade a 1st+ for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18W-40C-6W Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Specz said: On one hand, losing a 1st in 2020/2021 really sucks. But on the other, if we aren't playoff ready by 2021 then something must be have been SERIOUSLY wrong with this rebuild. I understand the logic, but I'm worried because of how quickly things can change in the NHL. All I have to say is, if we are wrong with this gamble (Which it very clearly is), another GM will have to do the very difficult thing of retooling the core (Which NONE of us want to see). JB, for all our sakes, we really hope this pays off. Overreact much? Retooling the core if we miss in 2021? Petey will be what 24? Boeser 25? Bo 26? Hughes 24? Drrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DallasDrake Posted June 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2019 Yeah baby! Been fan of Miller since his Rangers days! He brings physicality and leadership attributes to our young core. And whats best is that he is in his prime years with good contract. Now lets make a move for top4 d-man. Im not worried about the 1st rounder. Our rebuild is almost done and we have our new core in place. If we cant make playoffs in two seasons then we are fked anyway. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Next year's draft is supposed to be great too, and best case scenario we won't have a pick. Imagine not having a pick in 2015 with guys like Chabot / Boeser / Barzal / exc. available. Could be starting that down next year. Would've made so much more sense if they had jumped on Marleau. Crazy idea, but maybe we'll draft a star in the 2nd or 3rd round! Look at cup winners roster and you'll see you don't build a team on 1st rounders alone. Somewhere along the lines good teams make trades like this to help their teams take another step forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJr Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: https://www.nhl.com/canucks/news/vancouver-canucks-jt-miller/c-307989946 If the Canucks do not make the playoffs in 2019-20, the first-round selection will move to the 2021. What happens if we miss the playoff and the pick finally in Canucks 50 years history become the 1st overall pick?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Thats a lot to give up for a 2nd line winger. I have always liked the way Miller plays the game, so I am happy to have him on the team - just not sure about the expense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, coryberg said: Interesting take. Curious as to who you would have drafted at #10 that would have helped the Canucks this year. Why is this year important? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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