Analyst82 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I mean you go big or go home on those. I feel like this is way short. It's a no brainer to match it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, FlyLow_ said: Once Carolina matches this I call them up and offer a package around Horvat for Aho. They can't trade him for a year. By then half his contract will be paid. He's staying in CAR for 5 yrs. Maybe trade deadline his 5th year he gets moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, FlyLow_ said: Once Carolina matches this I call them up and offer a package around Horvat for Aho. If they match they can't trade him for 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyLow_ Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mll said: He can't be traded for a year. I forgot about that.. In 1 year then. Edited July 1, 2019 by FlyLow_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckGAME Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, oldnews said: "Lol" at people that don't understand the utility of doing this even if the Canes match. This is a team in their conference that they just threw a gut punch into. 1) He's making a small-market owner open the wallet big time, up front. 2) He's forcing Carolina to accept a 5 year term that makes Aho a UFA in his prime. It may not be 'brotherly' - but it's a competitive league - not everyone plays nice. The Habs may need to watch their back, but the point isn't simply a fail if Carolina matches - the Habs just effectively took away Carolina's ability to negotiate the kind of terms they wanted. Yeah thanks for breaking it down for me bro. Fully aware of these points already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) Question: I realize that Carolina can't deal Aho for a year - but can they deal him in the interim - the next week - before matching that offersheet? It would be interesting whether there would be a window there to offer Carolina more realistic market value, acquire Aho, and then match the offersheet? Probably not a possiblity because the player has signed an offersheet with a particular franchise of their choosing, but I don't know whether this freezes Carolina's options even in the week in the interim. Edited July 1, 2019 by oldnews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, oldnews said: "Lol" at people that don't understand the utility of doing this even if the Canes match. This is a team in their conference that they just threw a gut punch into. 1) He's making a small-market owner open the wallet big time, up front. 2) He's forcing Carolina to accept a 5 year term that makes Aho a UFA in his prime. It may not be 'brotherly' - but it's a competitive league - not everyone plays nice. The Habs may need to watch their back, but the point isn't simply a fail if Carolina matches - the Habs just effectively took away Carolina's ability to negotiate the kind of terms they wanted. You're exactly right. Canes ownership has been notoriously cheap. Asking an open offer for a coach with a cap limit of $400,000 a year. Shipping out management and players due to salary demands. That is a HUGE amount upfront that ownership might just say screw that too. It also does Aho that favour of making him a UFA at contracts end. Honestly, in terms of putting the screws to a team this one is huge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Fist Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, FireGillis said: I don't know why Montréal bothered with such a low offer. FAKE NEWS!!! Aho getting paid all the way UFA, you lost any control you had on the asset. If they match teams handicapped, they already paid him the worth of the contract in signing bonuses. if they trade him they gotta pay someone else when they trade him. team doesn't even make money. I think he's gone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: Dundon bailed out AAF with 250 million line of credit couple months ago. He's definetly not letting Aho go because he has to pay 20 mill 1st 2 years out of 5 year deal. Easy decision. MTL should have gone higher to at least have a chance at this. But shouldn’t that be the writing on the wall for Carolina? Where’s the Buisness sense throwing 250m to save a team that apparently gate revenues can’t support the Cap.. ? Perhaps its time to move out of Carolina .. Go to Quebec with a 1st , 2nd, and 3rd pick in your back pocket.. The League and NHLPA should support ownership in a move like this.. and if Carolina was calculated enough.. do it in a strong draft year. Edited July 1, 2019 by SilentSam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, CanuckGAME said: Yeah thanks for breaking it down for me bro. Fully aware of these points already. You're welcome 'bro'. I guess it wasn't that "Lol" funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alflives Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, SilentSam said: But shouldn’t that be the writing on the wall for Carolina? Where’s the Buisness sense throwing 250m to save a team that apparently gate revenues can’t support the Cap.. ? Perhaps its time to move out of Carolina .. Go to Quebec with a 1st , 2nd, and 3rd pick in your back pocket.. The League and NHLPA should support ownership in a move like this. Why not keep Aho, and move to Quebec City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: yup teams are in high demand for a player who scored 10 goals last year, 5 of them being empty betters. At 4 million I see many teams lining up to take him That’s why there would be a pick and a prospect involved. No one said anything about teams lining up but you. Enough derailing this thread though. Edited July 1, 2019 by DeNiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Looks like Aho wants to be a Hab if not now then in 5 yrs. Think MTL knows offer sheet will be matched but Aho goes there as UFA in 5 years in middle of his prime at age 26.. Looks like Habs and Aho playing the long game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: You're exactly right. Canes ownership has been notoriously cheap. Asking an open offer for a coach with a cap limit of $400,000 a year. Shipping out management and players due to salary demands. That is a HUGE amount upfront that ownership might just say screw that too. It also does Aho that favour of making him a UFA at contracts end. Honestly, in terms of putting the screws to a team this one is huge. Yes - a body blow may not win you a fight, but even so, it's a body blow, and it aint the end of the fight... This could and likely will have domino effects that hurt Carolina - and a weakened opponent in your conference is a gain, whether or not it's an internal Habs gain. It may be a dog eat dog approach, but it's also fair game, and with a volatile (imo) owner like Carolina's I'm not surprised that the Habs would take a poke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: Bergevin dropping bombs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SealTheDeal Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Such a great move by Montreal. The price is totally reasonable and the pics are low value compared to the asset. The structure is punishing to Carolina if they match. Excellent move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Except Sutter isn’t a cap dump like many jaded Canucks fans believe Lol. What value do you think he has? He had a bit two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: Bergevin dropping bombs This is going to be a big swing and a miss for Bergevin when he has to wait 7 days to see the Canes match and then all the free agents are gone. Bergevin likely won’t even be GM when Aho reaches free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs4Life Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, oldnews said: Question: I realize that Carolina can't deal Aho for a year - but can they deal him in the interim - the next week - before matching that offersheet? It would be interesting whether there would be a window there to offer Carolina more realistic market value, acquire Aho, and then match the offersheet? Probably not a possiblity because the player has signed an offersheet with a particular franchise of their choosing, but I don't know whether this freezes Carolina's options even in the week in the interim. Good question but i dont believe they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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