What the Nylander contract negotiations taught the agents of all these RFAs and how it can really affect the Canucks cap issue. I highly suggest for all to read this.

[6string]

Like Horvat in the past it makes for good off season debate while keeping the Canucks in the news and in or on the minds of many.

 

Boser er I mean Boeser will be signed for camp!

[RowdyCanuck]

I think your forgetting a big part dumb@$$ should have traded willy... Cap management the Hawks traded players they knew they couldn't afford and got back picks or players on contracts they could work with....so let's say in your world Boeser wants more money then Jim is offering then trade him , plain and simple....don't get me wrong Boeser I like him and heck of a player but hate to say it but his replacable, before I get strung up just listen.

his a scorer and that's about it his no patty Kane or even Mitch marner....those guys can carry a line them selves. I do believe his a core piece if the dollars work out but Petey and bo are core pieces no matter what....

[PuckFather]

51 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

forgot to put this in for those that say wait Boeser would miss training camp that's not true a player can opt to go to training camp or opt out. Most players opt out well they have no contract but a player can actually go to training camp if he so wishes.

I thought you were not supposed to post anymore? Can't you just hold out like you think Boeser would? 

[nucklehead]

League would clamp down on it...fun is over

[JM_]

yeah but it was so worth it for Nylanders playoff performance. 

 

Leafs gonna be Leafs. Boeser isn't in that system. We'll be fine. 

[mpt]

If Boeser wants to take a year off for holding out, let him wreck is own career.  Nylander definitely will be black-balled in the future by almost every team in the league.  Summer is early, a deal will get done, and it will be reasonable

[hammertime]

JB "i'm not a patient man" or something to that extent. 

 

If I'm JB I want to get a deal done asap playoffs on the line. If I'm Boeser I want to get a deal done ASAP so I can be a part of that. Hug it out already. Boeser take a cap friendly deal you haven't earned the big payday yet. JB draw up a contract with incentive to earn that payday we think hes capable of. 

 

Poke poke!

Edited July 16, 2019 by hammertime

[189lb enforcers?]

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[Gaudette Celly]

3 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

I will explain why it is good For RFAs to hold out,

Have you ever considered that perhaps, just maybe... players actually love and want to play the game and win?  And maybe the money isn't the #1 thing for most of them?  Yeah fine, they could ALL just hold out then, screw all their teams over, and get those few extra bucks for sitting out while their teammates were busting their butts out on the ice.  "Hey guys, I really put the screws to management and finally got all the moolah I wanted, gonna come play now so we can send that league-minimum guy who was working his tail off back to the minors now that I'm set for years.  Drinks are on me on my yacht after the game!"  Yeah, that goes over real well with the rest of the boys.

 

Sounds a lot more like the typical BC union-management/government antagonism and catfights where each is trying to screw over and milk every drop out of the other they can.

[SilentSam]

3 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

forgot to put this in for those that say wait Boeser would miss training camp that's not true a player can opt to go to training camp or opt out. Most players opt out well they have no contract but a player can actually go to training camp if he so wishes.

That’s fine that you think the RFA’s and their Agents learned something from the Nylander holdout/signing..

But what do you think Ownership and Team Management learned?. .  I don’t think you will ever see that outcome again.

[Greenman Wannabe]

4 hours ago, Fanuck said:

Stopped reading right there. 

 

Have a great summer! 

Right? Thank god, getting tired of seeing his posts lmao.

[mll]

Nylander lost over 3M by holding out and it allowed the Leafs to lower his cap hit.  The cap hit of the 1st year doesn't reflect what he earned.  From the link:

 

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Cap hits are pro-rated to the time on the roster as well as salary payment save the bonus.  The team simply needs to have accounted for the contract's overall AAV and the longer he holds out the less money they need to have accounted for.  

 

Nylander got his full 2M bonus but his 10M base salary for that 1st year was pro-rated to his time on the roster.  Each day holding out cost him close to 54K (10M x 1 day / 186 days) and it ended up being over 3M.  

 

Holding out reduces the AAV of the contract as it's only calculated on the amount actually paid out.   The longer he holds out, the lower the actual salary payment so the lower the overall AAV of the contract.   Instead of having an AAV of 7.5M had he signed at the start of the season, his AAV is only 6.962M because he held out and lost salary.

 

In his 1st year the AAV is increased because the season is shortened for him.  In that 1st year he still accounted for his average AAV of 6.962M against the cap for the season although his full season cap hit was shown to be over 10M.  It's because of the pro-rata. 

 

He signed with 126 days left into a 186 day season. 126 days left / 186 day season x 10.278M = 6.962M

 

CapFriendly has the breakdown of the cap hits: https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs/cap-tracker/2019

 

It's only an issue if the team uses up the cap space before the player signs, but as long as Toronto was 6.962M under - it didn't matter when he signed.  The 6.962M cap hit is covered by banked cap space and prospective cap space.

 

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Example.  Say 22 players with exactly a 74.5M cap hit.  It leaves 7M in cap space to add 1 player and reach the 81.5M max cap hit.  No injuries and no roster movement all season to keep it simple.

 

As long as the player holding out signs for no more than a 7M AAV - they can sign him at any time and will always be cap compliant at the end of the season.

 

Signing happens 45 days into a 180 day season.  Up to those 45 days the max cap hit accumulated is 45 days / 180 days x 81.5M = 20.375M and breaks down as follows:

 

22 players at 74.5M x 45 days / 180 days = 18.625M

+ banked cap space of 7M x 45 days / 180 days = 1.75M

 

The player holding out signs and his cap hit is shown as 9.33M (7M x 180 days / 135 days left - as cap hit x pro-rata of days left must equal 7M)

 

The sum of all the cap hits at signing date is now  83.83M (74.5M + 9.33M).

 

With 135 days left that's a cap hit of 62.875M for the remainder of the season (83.83M x 135 days left / 180 days)

 

Prospective cap space is 81.5M x 135 days / 180 days =  61.125M

There's a difference between the two of 1.75M  (62.875M - 61.125M).   That difference is exactly the amount of the cap space that has been banked and can be used.

 

It's only an issue if the team didn't bank the cap space and were operating at a cap hit that doesn't cover the contract's average AAV - in this example 7M.

 

If they operated at 81.5M the first 30 days of the season with no cap space banked, then the team would need to be a full 9.33M under at the signing date to accommodate a 7M AAV.

 

Edited July 16, 2019 by mll

[Rubik]

"I highly suggest for all to read this"

 

[khay]

7 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

forgot to put this in for those that say wait Boeser would miss training camp that's not true a player can opt to go to training camp or opt out. Most players opt out well they have no contract but a player can actually go to training camp if he so wishes.

lol

 

Boeser: "Hey Canucks, I'm not going to sign a contract with you because I'm going to hold out for more money like Arrow 1983 suggested me to do. But! I'm going to come to camp so that I can train with the guys. I know the media will pester me with questions like when am I going to sign and stuff but I don't mind. And I know that this makes me look desperate and lose whatever leverage that I had by not showing up at camp but whatever."

 

Opening night rolls around,

 

Boeser: "Hey coach, put me in. I want to play so that I keep myself in game shape and be ready for when and if I sign the contract. According to a CDC poster, it should be around December like Nylander did. Somehow that allows me to maximize my earnings? I actually didn't read the whole post but I saw Nylander's name there so I assumed he is suggesting me to copy what Nylander did."

 

JB: (thinking to himself) "Yes! We got Boeser signed playing for free! Thank you Arrow 1983!!"

 

2020 June 23rd NHL awards. Alex Ovechkin wins the Rocket Richard with 50 goals but the NHL decided to put an asterisk next to his name on the record book. Brock Boeser scored 70 goals but he scored 21 of those from October to December when he hadn't signed the contract yet. He is the real Rocket Richard winner.

 

A sad ending for Brock. lol

 

Edited July 16, 2019 by khay

[Bubble Man]

So dry, next time I put the Visine in prior to reading one of your OP’s. 

[rychicken]

11 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

This will be my last post till the season starts, So have a great summer.

 

 

But.....who else is gonna bring us a broken arrow??
 

 

[Drive-By Body Pierce]

I  Vintage.

[khay]

7 hours ago, Greenman Wannabe said:

Right? Thank god, getting tired of seeing his posts lmao.

Your sig == Brock's facial expression reading this thread.

[oldnews]

 

Edited July 17, 2019 by oldnews

[Cargo]

I find the posts about Boeser’s “character” to be a bit naive. I would say he’d be an idiot to hold out like Nylander did, because it didn’t turn out well for the player, at all. The Toronto fans will turn on him in a second now, and the need to perform is even greater than it would have been if he just signed. He missed a big chunk of hockey, and I’m sure it played on his mind badly.

 

But this is a business, and the team and player are negotiating a deal. It’s not good “character” to say, screw it, I’ll take whatever I’m offered and run with it. It might be smart to not want to go through the additional hassle if you don’t feel it’s quite what you want,, but that’s a whole other argument with yourself.

 

Gordie Howe got diddled for years by just accepting what was offered, without pushing back. Was that character? The popular opinion seems to be that he was naive. So Boeser will do what’s right for Boeser, I would think. One hopes he won’t be greedy, that they can agree on a good level that makes both sides happy. But that’s not always the way contract negotiations go.