Elias Pettersson Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Captain Canuck #12 said: Weren't Ferland and Benning supposed to have had "the talk" by now? Anyone heard any updates? Benning said he's not ready to play right now. I doubt things will change in a month. I think Ferland will be on LTIR this year... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 15 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Benning said he's not ready to play right now. I doubt things will change in a month. I think Ferland will be on LTIR this year... Who determines whether he is healthy enough to play? NHL doctors? NHLPA doctors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Boudrias said: Who determines whether he is healthy enough to play? NHL doctors? NHLPA doctors? I would imagine, ( I am guessing) it depends on the situation This looks to have a Malhotra feel to it where the player wants to play but the team does not want that. In which case it proably get sent to an independant DR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, lmm said: I would imagine, ( I am guessing) it depends on the situation This looks to have a Malhotra feel to it where the player wants to play but the team does not want that. In which case it proably get sent to an independant DR. where did you hear that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Just now, Jimmy McGill said: where did you hear that? probably here. TSN, Sportsnet It was common knowledge at the time Gillis said Manny's eye was a danger to his ability to play and safety, Manny wanted to play do you have another version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, lmm said: probably here. TSN, Sportsnet It was common knowledge at the time Gillis said Manny's eye was a danger to his ability to play and safety, Manny wanted to play do you have another version? not Manny, Ferland. I've never heard of there being some sort of dispute between him and Benning on him playing. I'm sure Benning would like Ferkie to be healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 On 12/17/2020 at 3:44 PM, Baggins said: It's not as simple as just putting him on LTI as somebody has to pay his salary. Either the team is paying him or an insurance company. Why would the team pay him if they don't have to when he just wants to pack it in? If insured that company will want him checked to verify injury. They don't pay on policies out of the goodness of their heart. Even then, if the league has any doubts, they can send him to a league doctor to verify he can't play. Btw, even players on LTI count towards the cap. It just means a team can exceed the cap by that players salary. No one disputes the man gets his salary and so he should ( although in this case speculation Ferland brought his concussion history ith him ) This about Cap Space. I'm not sure if Vcr carried insurance of Ferland ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: not Manny, Ferland. I've never heard of there being some sort of dispute between him and Benning on him playing. I'm sure Benning would like Ferkie to be healthy. I did say I was guessing the thing with Ferland is he is going to screw up our cap situation if he comes back we need to make space for him, given his reliability, its a tough situation for Benning clearing cap for a player that might last one shift if we have $2 M in cap and Ferland comes back, we need to clear $1.5M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, lmm said: I did say I was guessing the thing with Ferland is he is going to screw up our cap situation if he comes back we need to make space for him, given his reliability, its a tough situation for Benning clearing cap for a player that might last one shift if we have $2 M in cap and Ferland comes back, we need to clear $1.5M ah OK. I thought you had some new info well, Loui and Bear in "Utica" (whatever form that will be this year) takes care of that. But then there's still the issue of bringing in 1 more d man on to the roster. I wouldn't be surprised to see Benning have to cough up something significant to move Baer's 3.6 mil in the next couple of weeks. That plus Loui in Utica covers things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: ah OK. I thought you had some new info well, Loui and Bear in "Utica" (whatever form that will be this year) takes care of that. But then there's still the issue of bringing in 1 more d man on to the roster. I wouldn't be surprised to see Benning have to cough up something significant to move Baer's 3.6 mil in the next couple of weeks. That plus Loui in Utica covers things. I believe Loui to Utica saves $1M only I never have new news, look to Vintage for that stuff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canuck #12 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: not Manny, Ferland. I've never heard of there being some sort of dispute between him and Benning on him playing. I'm sure Benning would like Ferkie to be healthy. Unless by some miracle Ferland is completely healthy and no longer easily susceptible to being concussed, I think Benning would like him to go on LTIR, take the year off, then come back really healthy next year (if full health is even possible for him). That way Benning could use the LTIR money to sign a much needed UFA or two, like Hamonic and/or Hoffman, before the season actually starts and before they sign elsewhere. I'm sure the last thing Benning wants is for Ferland to say he's feeling just fine, start the season, then leave after he gets concussed again 1-2 games in. At that point, any potentially useful UFAs would be long gone and we would be screwed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Fred65 said: No one disputes the man gets his salary and so he should ( although in this case speculation Ferland brought his concussion history ith him ) This about Cap Space. I'm not sure if Vcr carried insurance of Ferland ? He did bring that history with him. As I said though, insurance companies will insure a player but exempt a specific injury from the policy if there is repeat history of that injury type. So even if Ferland was insured it would very likely exclude concussions from the policy due to that history. What I read is teams typically only insure 4 to 8 players as it's quite expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 32 minutes ago, Baggins said: He did bring that history with him. As I said though, insurance companies will insure a player but exempt a specific injury from the policy if there is repeat history of that injury type. So even if Ferland was insured it would very likely exclude concussions from the policy due to that history. What I read is teams typically only insure 4 to 8 players as it's quite expensive. I read the same thing, few players are insured by the club. Here's the grey area IMO to play, a player must pass a medical which I assume include a opinion that he is not suffering from a concussion, currently. Does this mean he's clear to go ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) Ferland has earned the right to make his own decisions...... Feel sorry for the guy.... toughest thing for a pro athlete is quitting not on his own terms...... These guys are not wired to quit. Hoping he plays its safe and hangs up the skates instead of risking his long term health.... Totally understand it if he wants to return for another attempt. Edited December 20, 2020 by kingofsurrey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fred65 said: I read the same thing, few players are insured by the club. Here's the grey area IMO to play, a player must pass a medical which I assume include a opinion that he is not suffering from a concussion, currently. Does this mean he's clear to go ? The problem with concussions imo is early you can see signs a person is concussed but as healing progresses the medical staff depend a great deal on the player being honest about how he's feeling. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) I really like Ferland the gritty tough player every team wants? The Ferland today is not good health wise? We have seen 3 different time he had to leave with the same serious dizzy concussion symptoms...So sad for young 27year old man with a life to live after hockey..Hope his family get together and make a smart decision and retire from hockey while he still can function a healthy life. Not come back and risk something very serious with another hit and could affect his life and family life forever ? Edited December 21, 2020 by wildcam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canuck #12 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/19/2020 at 10:25 PM, Baggins said: The problem with concussions imo is early you can see signs a person is concussed but as healing progresses the medical staff depend a great deal on the player being honest about how he's feeling. Yes, that and not actually knowing if they've really recovered until they begin playing games again, under real game conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 When Ferland goes on LTIR, and he will Vatanen is a RHD that would look great on our top 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canuck #12 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Mackcanuck said: When Ferland goes on LTIR, and he will Vatanen is a RHD that would look great on our top 4 At this point, either him or Hamonic would be great options for a second RD. The only question is, will they wait that long? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 weeks to go, would be nice to sign one of these defencemen with Ferland's money. Surely we now know that he's not going to be ready to go for opening night so can use that money, and hopefully sign Hamonic/Vatanen so they get a bit of a skate at training camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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