Smashian Kassian Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: It's not debatable, we were. We also had a winning record against tougher divisions. The fact that the point totals in the west were slightly lower is irrelevant. We were still a bubble team. Point totals from previous seasons have nothing to do with a current season. They were 9 points out. A bubble team is right there within striking distance till the end. We were out weeks before the end of the season. We finished 12th in the conference & were basically as far away from last in the west as we were to the last playoff spot. I'm not saying we arent much improved this season from last. Never said that once. Is just q little disingenuous to act like we were right on the edge till the very end. We were in a playoff spot with a month or two left, with opportunities to make up ground on the other teams & dropped the ball. Without Markstrom we wouldve been much closer to LA than Colorado. Its a good thing we bolstered our offense this off season b/c it really cost us down the stretch last year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: They were 9 points out. A bubble team is right there within striking distance till the end. We were out weeks before the end of the season. We finished 12th in the conference & were basically as far away from last in the west as we were to the last playoff spot. I'm not saying we arent much improved this season from last. Never said that once. Is just q little disingenuous to act like we were right on the edge till the very end. We were in a playoff spot with a month or two left, with opportunities to make up ground on the other teams & dropped the ball. Without Markstrom we wouldve been much closer to LA than Colorado. Its a good thing we bolstered our offense this off season b/c it really cost us down the stretch last year. Point totals have risen every year and we have added 2 good forwards, 2 good dmen, and get a full season with Hughes, Pearson and Baertschi. Wadr you're selling the team real short I also said bubble team until injuries piled up. Healthy we were a bubble team, period. Edited August 19, 2019 by canuck73_3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, aGENT said: You mean like some of... Gaudette, Madden, Jasek, Stecher, Tryamkin, Woo, Demko, DiPietro, Rathbone, Hoglander, Brisebois, MacEwan etc? Hopefully, but you're comparing long time NHLers with a bunch of maybes (and Stecher). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted August 19, 2019 Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 Seems like it’s confirmed that it’s three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 59 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Canuck fans have such low expectations from what they expect from the clubs management team....... Add a 5/6 D man and a 4th line forward and Canuck Fans think we have the top GM in the NHL ...... Benning will most likely be fired next April IF the club misses the playoffs once again. Nobody knows how the season will unfold but most agree that the future don’t look so bleak and we have the makings of a very exciting young team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 The extension isn't a surprise, a GM doesn't usually go into a season on the last year of his contract. If the Canucks falter this year, his job security isn't guaranteed with this new deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 15 hours ago, the grinder said: not at all we understand why gillis did the the moves he made and we understand why the prospect pool was depleted because of a cup run we get it , we understand why ntc clause were handed out to lower the price in a exchange for a player stability , some people are wondering why the rebuild has taken 4 years so I am trying to explain , when the core is stale and they have ntc it is much more difficult to trade the core for draft picks , the prospect pool ok mike gillis regime the drafting record wasn't great except for Horvat ,Schneider that's ok we get it , but when rebuilding and there is nothing in the pool again it gonna take time to restock the pool. we understand the cup window is only open so long but when it closes , it gonna take time to get back there especially when the stale core has ntc and there is no prospect pool so basically starting from ground zero till now gmjb has done a pretty good job from what he had to start with that's all I keep hearing you say we get it we get it, yet you go and read some of the posts and it doesn't show they get it.... Definitely not with the way some are still arguing regarding the prospect pool after he was gone. Gillis also wasn't able to draft as high as Benning has been able to due to where they end up in the standings, do people put that into account when he was drafting? And of course trading picks off, to not be able to draft because they went for the win now instead, which to this day I support 100%. I'm not here trying to argue that Gillis was the greatest GM no, I do question some of his stuff and didn't like hearing he wasn't very liked around the league by other GMs, so that limited him with who to trade with due to them not really liking him in the first place. I feel he did a good job at trying to build and keep a strong favorite team to win the cup and he got them to within the last game to do it, yeah it sucks we didn't win and yes it sucks for when the vets slowed down after a couple years, because we didn't draft high or draft at all, but that's the price you pay sometimes. I just don't believe Gillis deserves any crap for it if anything he should be praised more by the fans, for almost getting this team it's first Stanley Cup ever, but he doesn't seem to get that by the fans because of this crap he didn't care about the future instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said: Canuck fans have such low expectations from what they expect from the clubs management team....... Add a 5/6 D man and a 4th line forward and Canuck Fans think we have the top GM in the NHL ...... Benning will most likely be fired next April if the club misses the playoffs once again. such a dumb and weak paraphrase wadr. my low expectations are actually spent where your posts / straw 'conversations' are concerned. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, oldnews said: such a dumb and weak paraphrase wadr. my low expectations are actually spent where your posts / straw 'conversations' are concerned. whos the 4th line F? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canuck73_3 Posted August 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, Jimmy McGill said: whos the 4th line F? Maybe he was referring to Fantenberg since he seems to think Virtanen is a “bottom 6 D” every other forward we acquired was a middle or top 6. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Contemplating changing my username to Dynasty Builder Jim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Duodenum said: Hopefully, but you're comparing long time NHLers with a bunch of maybes (and Stecher). Guess what NHL'ers are before they're NHL'ers... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mordekai Posted August 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said: Imo too much is being made of our drafting , Boeser - (drafted exacted where he was expected ) EP - (Hockey prospects had him #5 and Mckenzie right there) He was listed as #2 European - Sure glad they drafted him Hughes - fell to us I was thinking before Benning was good, but they weren't drafting anyone way out of their rankings Just using boeser as an example So you are saying all those years Canucks drafting late 1st round picks like Jensen, Gaunce, Schroder; all they had to do NOT to screw up on these picks was to draft someone 'expected' on Hockey prospect list or Bob's list? I get it... is so easy even I could out GM GMJB. 3 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ur a Towel Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, mordekai said: Just using boeser as an example So you are saying all those years Canucks drafting late 1st round picks like Jensen, Gaunce, Schroder; all they had to do NOT to screw up on these picks was to draft someone 'expected' on Hockey prospect list or Bob's list? I get it... is so easy even I could out GM GMJB. Wow so easy. I wonder why the other 30 GMs haven't figured this out yet. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordekai Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ur a Towel said: Wow so easy. I wonder why the other 30 GMs haven't figured this out yet. You got to use the 'right' list depending on the year. So Petey's year you got to use Mckenzie's list but for brock you got to use hockey prospects list! Even I can figure that out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, aGENT said: Guess what NHL'ers are before they're NHL'ers... Guess what you can't compare... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: I keep hearing you say we get it we get it, yet you go and read some of the posts and it doesn't show they get it.... Definitely not with the way some are still arguing regarding the prospect pool after he was gone. Gillis also wasn't able to draft as high as Benning has been able to due to where they end up in the standings, do people put that into account when he was drafting? And of course trading picks off, to not be able to draft because they went for the win now instead, which to this day I support 100%. I'm not here trying to argue that Gillis was the greatest GM no, I do question some of his stuff and didn't like hearing he wasn't very liked around the league by other GMs, so that limited him with who to trade with due to them not really liking him in the first place. I feel he did a good job at trying to build and keep a strong favorite team to win the cup and he got them to within the last game to do it, yeah it sucks we didn't win and yes it sucks for when the vets slowed down after a couple years, because we didn't draft high or draft at all, but that's the price you pay sometimes. I just don't believe Gillis deserves any crap for it if anything he should be praised more by the fans, for almost gietting this team it's first Stanley Cup ever, but he doesn't seem to get that by the fans because of this crap he didn't care about the future instead. I totally get where you are coming from , I think it comes down to a comparison to the two gms the anti benning group will be " that idiot benning trading for guddy what a waste " and a pro benning will go" well gillis got garrison " , So to me those a very similar players and very similar problems by two different gms so really is one any better than the other , I agree gillis does deserve credit but in the same breath , benning deserves credit from starting over again and dealing with management wishes , 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: This is exactly what leads to problems. Impatience to want to win it all. You have to get into the playoffs, get experience on what it takes to win the playoffs. Also have the depth to win a long playoff run. What it takes to win the cup generally is 3 forward lines that can score, and play against no matter what style the other team has. You need good goaltending. And most important you need 1-2 Norris calibre d-men, and 4-5 other solid d-men. All 31 teams want to win the Stanley Cup. (Soon to be 32) Only one makes it every year. The problem KOS you seem to have, is you think your way is the only way to get there. Last season no one thought St. Louis would win it all. They looked dead in the water. Surprise! I don't mind what Benning is doing. Probably because I see the pattern of what he wants to do. A critic will always find things to be critical of. Just agree to disagree. We all want the same thing. To win a cup. We just disagree how to get there, and what mix works best. Amen brother patience is needed there is only one draft per year and that.s where you get core pieces , look at Washington it took them awhile to win a cup with their core of ovie Backstrom holtby and others , winning a cup doesn't happen over night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Canuck Surfer Posted August 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2019 19 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: That 2011 team would've never happened if you had Eriksson or Beagles or Sutters. Ballard begs, a convenient choice of words, to differ? Or for ice time... And we had Malhotra being paid $3.5 mill by memory to do a role very similar to Beagles. You could argue played it better than Beagle or Sutter? But $3.5 mill in 2011 is more than $4.5 now. And he did not score 20 goals for his money, if that's the argument? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, apollo said: Contemplating changing my username to Dynasty Builder Jim If he is catholic he could apply for sainthood. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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