mpt Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 8 hours ago, DeNiro said: Eriksson, Tanev and a 2nd Ballard Raymond and a 1st 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dazzle Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 2 hours ago, theo5789 said: We are paying LE 6 million to produce offense. Drouin does. We have plenty of decent bottom 6 guys that can take over the PK. If it's either Drouin or LE, it's a no brainer (and Drouin is much younger too). The three teams thing doesn't bother me, but he could be a headcase with his situation in TB had shown. I'm actually one of the people that have said early on that LE's comments this offseason is mild in nature, but he could also be as much of a distraction to the team anyway, so it could be worth the gamble. Worst case is you pump his numbers up and flip him for even higher value (assuming he doesn't cost an arm and a leg to acquire in the first place) because he's still a 50+ point guy despite supposedly struggling and he's still young. Eriksson sucks at 6 million, but at least he can PK. Drouin is a liability. His 50 pts will not be worth much when the team is down so many goals when he's on the ice. He's a career -45. Goldobin, on the other hand, is -23 and his defensive game is still deemed questionable. HARD PASS on Drouin. This is not NHL 2019 where only stats matter. The players do - and the culture you create does. Drouin will likely NOT be a good fit for Vancouver. He wasn't even a good fit for Tampa Bay, a perenially playoff team. What makes you think he's good enough for Vancouver? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 10 hours ago, Alflives said: Drouin has an ugly contract too, doesn't he? Would the Sabres trade Risto for Drouin? 5.5 million not so bad 50 + points just to one dimentional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Not sure why but I could see him playing for a team like Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 4 hours ago, theo5789 said: Boeser and Miller are the only ones that fit the 50 point criteria. Offensively Drouin is easily above the rest. The others may provide different elements, but they are not 50 point guys unfortunately. Ya but without the puck there all better then Drouin except maybe Goldy and Virt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 11 hours ago, GhostsOf1994 said: Boeser, Miller, Baertschi,Pearson, Goldy?,Ferland...Virtanen.... Leivo... Soooooooo 2 of the 8 are actually 50 point guys. Thanks for proving my point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 15 hours ago, EternalCanuckFan said: Drouin is at $5.5M and the Habs have just over $4M in cap space so no, $10M for Laine probably wouldn't be doable. Not saying it's the most likely possibility but just intriguing. I recall also seeing Philip Danault's name in the rumor mill and he has a salary of about $3M. Drouin for Ristolainen could work though, so that's an interesting possibility. While BUF and MTL are division rivals, I seem to recall them making trades before. Don't know where you heard that, but I highly doubt it. I often listen to MTL radio shows and broadcast and never heard his name. He has been one of the few steady player the past few years, I don't know why they would get rid of him. He's also the perfect player for Julien's style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 14 hours ago, Phil_314 said: Karl's literal dead weight. At least Brandon and Loui are serviceable... we also basically get no cap relief ($4.625 x 3 years + $5.5 x 4 years - $6 x 3 years - $4.375 x 2 years -$1.5 = $1.75 net cap savings in the first year, less in years 2 and 3, but Karl's salary is immovable, when we will probably need the space) Alzner's contract is actually a good buyout potential next summer. Cap hit would be 3.9M, 1.9M, 833k, 833k over 4 years. I proposed a straight up Alzner for Eriksson in the past, but the feedback was the Habs would just keep Alzner and buy him out next summer, instead of taking on Eriksson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 14 hours ago, Rick Blight said: This was a proposal made for a Laine trade. https://awinninghabit.com/2019/09/25/montreal-canadiens-jonathan-drouin-trade/4/ CANADIENS GET PATRIK LAINE JETS GET JONATHAN DROUIN CALE FLEURY 2020 1ST ROUND DRAFT PICK Cale Fleury is having an exceptional training camp, might make the team. Not sure if that offer would still be on the table from a Habs perspective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 15 hours ago, xereau said: I figure there is more to the story than we are being told. Maybe he met Kassian's ex? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Dazzle said: Eriksson sucks at 6 million, but at least he can PK. Drouin is a liability. His 50 pts will not be worth much when the team is down so many goals when he's on the ice. He's a career -45. Goldobin, on the other hand, is -23 and his defensive game is still deemed questionable. HARD PASS on Drouin. This is not NHL 2019 where only stats matter. The players do - and the culture you create does. Drouin will likely NOT be a good fit for Vancouver. He wasn't even a good fit for Tampa Bay, a perenially playoff team. What makes you think he's good enough for Vancouver? Bo Horvat is currently a career -50. Not saying Drouin is anywhere near Bo, but that's a meaningless stat. Drouin is definitely not a defensive specialist, but at least he can put up some decent numbers. You can find cheap PK guys if that's all LE provides. It's harder to find cheap offensive players as that's where they generally get paid. Drouin had 14 points in 23 playoff games for Tampa. It wasn't that he wasn't a fit, he wanted to get paid and they likely couldn't fit him in the cap structure. I get that maybe his character could be in question, but I think there needs to be more hard evidence of it being a problem. However, it's a no brainer to have Drouin over LE (and I've supported LE quite a bit). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Bo Horvat is currently a career -50. Not saying Drouin is anywhere near Bo, but that's a meaningless stat. Drouin is definitely not a defensive specialist, but at least he can put up some decent numbers. You can find cheap PK guys if that's all LE provides. It's harder to find cheap offensive players as that's where they generally get paid. Drouin had 14 points in 23 playoff games for Tampa. It wasn't that he wasn't a fit, he wanted to get paid and they likely couldn't fit him in the cap structure. I get that maybe his character could be in question, but I think there needs to be more hard evidence of it being a problem. However, it's a no brainer to have Drouin over LE (and I've supported LE quite a bit). Playoff teams have plus players. Non playoff teams have minus players. Drouin being such a huge minus, while being on playoff teams is actually kind of a sign he’s got no clue how to play without the puck. Plus, he’s proving he can’t play centre. I’ve never been a fan of how he plays. However clearly Little Things Loui has extreme negative value. Drouin has positive value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 7 hours ago, kenhodgejr said: Not sure why but I could see him playing for a team like Chicago It used to be Joe Thornton. Then Crosby? Now Patrick Kane. Cures cancer. Makes lawsuits disappear... And poof! An automatic candidate for 40 or 50 goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, Alflives said: Playoff teams have plus players. Non playoff teams have minus players. Drouin being such a huge minus, while being on playoff teams is actually kind of a sign he’s got no clue how to play without the puck. Plus, he’s proving he can’t play centre. I’ve never been a fan of how he plays. However clearly Little Things Loui has extreme negative value. Drouin has positive value. The years he was minuses, the teams didn't make the playoffs. He was a plus player in the years he made it to the playoffs. But I guess Drouin is solely responsible for them not making the playoffs? His worst minus year was also when Montreal tried experimenting him as a centerman which he isn't. He can take some draws and play the role if needed, but he's not a full time centerman that Montreal wanted. The following year, he was back to a winger mostly and he improved from a -28 to a -8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 13 hours ago, RRypien37 said: Guy has all the talent and skill in the world. The problems with him obviously lay else where. Agree, and in retrospect you could see it happening at the 2014 WHJC. His first year as an undrafted player in 2013, he actually got more playing time than MacKinnon (who tore it up later that spring at the Memorial Cup), thanks to the brilliant Steve Spott (). He was playing 2nd line minute and had a decent tournament. The year after, MacKinnon was in the NHL and Drouin was back with Team Canada as the offensive leader of the team. He had a pretty good tournament individually with 9 pts in 7 games but as a team they were not really good. But this is when I notice that he was a selfish player. He had great skills but was not making his team or teammates better. While that works in junior, he was never going to be an impactful player at the NHL level. I think he's like a poor man's version of Duchene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, theo5789 said: The years he was minuses, the teams didn't make the playoffs. He was a plus player in the years he made it to the playoffs. But I guess Drouin is solely responsible for them not making the playoffs? His worst minus year was also when Montreal tried experimenting him as a centerman which he isn't. He can take some draws and play the role if needed, but he's not a full time centerman that Montreal wanted. The following year, he was back to a winger mostly and he improved from a -28 to a -8. So he’s a 50 point soft perimeter winger who is horrible without the puck. I believe he has value, but don’t see it as very high. I wouldn’t trade Jake for him. Drouin IMO is the better player, but I think the cap cost (and where he needs to play in the lineup) makes Jake more valuable to us. I think a lot of teams likely feel that way. I could see a Drouin for Ehlers trade. Similar players with similar cap costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, Alflives said: So he’s a 50 point soft perimeter winger who is horrible without the puck. I believe he has value, but don’t see it as very high. I wouldn’t trade Jake for him. Drouin IMO is the better player, but I think the cap cost (and where he needs to play in the lineup) makes Jake more valuable to us. I think a lot of teams likely feel that way. I could see a Drouin for Ehlers trade. Similar players with similar cap costs. Never said I would trade Jake for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Never said I would trade Jake for him. Wouldn't trade for him period. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: Wouldn't trade for him period. Not even for LE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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