[Proposal] Signing Tyson Barrie to the Vancouver Canucks + Bye to Tanev and possibly Stecher

[VegasCanuck]

I don't think Barrie is the "Type" of D that we need right now. We have Hughes rolling hard right now, and we have Rathbone in the pipeline, possibly ready to go.

 

Tanev and his style of play is a commodity we need more of. My personal opinion is, we need to get tougher to play against in our own zone. We need someone who can instill fear into opposition, about going below our goal line. 

[Sbriggs]

22 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said:

[proposal] Signing Tyson Barrie to the Vancouver Canucks + bye to Tanev and possibly Stecher  

 

Here are some facts:

 

1) Barrie has an interest in coming to Vancouver

2) Given the season Barrie just had, he cannot possibly he had at a decent cap hit.

3) Given Barrie’s style of play, his game will likely age quite well relative to someone like Tanev (ie Barrie should still be around a similar level at the age of 34).

 

Here is another thing to consider when looking at the Vancouver Canucks in these current playoffs:    
 

Many people believe that our biggest pitfall against the Blues these past two games has been our inability to handle the Blues’ physicality, but I would argue that our biggest pitfall has been an inability to get the puck out of our defensive zone fast enough (swift puck movement) to allow us to break into St.Louis’ zone with far greater efficiency (zone entries via carrying the puck as opposed to dump and chase).    
 

The only defenseman that can really do that for us is Quinn Hughes, and Tyler Myers to a much lesser extent.  
 

Our biggest weakness on the blue-line is our lack of top 4 quality PMD, and this is where I believe that a guy like Tyson Barrie could get help us.  

 

Some possible concerns about bringing in Barrie:

 

1) Barrie has sucked in Toronto.   Negative.  Barrie was sucking under Mike Babcock.  He has played quite well under Sheldon Keife.

 

2) The presence of Hughes makes Barrie extraneous.   Negative.   Barrie can complement Hughes in a number of ways here.  First off, the presence of BOTH Hughes and Barrie would allow the Canucks to have a prolific PMD (puck moving dman) throughout most of the game.   This would allow both the Horvat line and the 3rd line to generate more scoring chances due to a more consistent PMD presence on the back-end.   End result = more secondary scoring.

 

There is also this misconception that the presence of Hughes would make Barrie extraneous since Barrie wouldn’t be on the first PP.  .   This doesn’t have to be the case.    The Canucks can elect to go with two strong PP’s just as they did in 2011.   The twins with Salo were running one PP, while Kesler and Bieksa were running the other.   
 

PP1 can consist of Petey, Boeser, Horvat, and Hughes, etc., while PP2 can have Barrie, Myers, Miller, and Toffoli, etc.

 

The presence of a guy like Barrie could also allow for someone like Edler to have more rest with less ice-time since you could take Edler off the Power Play and get him to focus more on the PK, etc.
 

Canucks defense 2020-2021, and even 2021-2022

 

Edler-Barrie (this becomes 2nd pairing in 2021-2022).

 

Hughes-Myers 

 

Juolevi-Benn (if not Juolevi, then Rathbone.  Canucks re-sign Benn for veteran presence).

 

Rafferty or Brisebois as the 7th.

 

Under this scenario, the Canucks would now have THREE PMD’s in Edler, Barrie, and Juolevi (four if you include Myers), and would still be tough enough back there with Myers and Benn.  
 

Other defensemen available via UFA:  
 

I don’t think a guy like Gudas has much of an interest in coming here, while guys like Brodie, Pietrangelo, and Krug will be very expensive.   Schultz likely wouldn’t help us much, while Travis Hamonic might be similar to Tanev (ie susceptible to declining very shortly due to style of game).  
 

 

 

No to Barrie, not the kind of defenseman we need and way too much money

[Honeydew]

The same Tyson Barrie who was literally non-existent in the Toronto qualifying series?

 

No thanks.

[Provost]

If Barrie is desperate to sign in Vancouver for Stecher kind of money... sure.

 

i don’t know that there is a worse fit for him hockey wise though.

 

He is a PP specialist and Hughes is already better than him at that job.  There is only so much puck to go around.

 

We need a couple of solid defensive D men to replace Tanev and a Edler as they lose a step.

[Western Red]

Sakic the wizard. 

 

I'll always be biased against Barrie though. He and his family are REEAALLLY greasy (rich) people.

[kloubek]

I actually do believe that we could use another scoring defenseman not named Hughes. As. has been mentioned, perhaps Rathbone or Rafferty could be that guy at a tiny price.

 

If our cap situation were different, I think Barrie could be a decent fit. But I think he would have to be paired with a defensive specialist, which we really don't have outside Tanev.

 

Our team as a whole isn't exactly a defensive one as it is so I'm not sure Benning has a choice but to re-up Tanev as long as his demands are reasonable.

[IBatch]

13 hours ago, Western Red said:

Sakic the wizard. 

 

I'll always be biased against Barrie though. He and his family are REEAALLLY greasy (rich) people.

Before I left the Island I did some work up in their 10,000 home development golf course community ... the horror stories were enough to stay away from any direct dealings and there was interest (on their side to bring us in).   So I see where it’s coming from ... Len Barrie was the issue - as far as this Barrie goes I don’t want him because as others have pointed out we don’t have any use for him other then maybe anchoring the second unit which really prefer to stick with Myers anyways as he’s only got time to re-gain possesion and make one play before the clock is out most times.... and Tyson isn’t the one you need on the ice when they come back after killing one. 

[Amebushi]

No thanks. He disappeared in the Leafs qualifying round. You don’t replace a defensive stud like Tanev with a liability like Barrie. If he signs for Stecher money maybe you leave Stecher out (I’d rathe keep Troy as the kid has a huge heart out there). If Tanev walks we need a big bruising crease clearing stay at home D man, not an overpaid offensive Dman to play 20 seconds of every power play. It’s just like the forwards. Petey needs Bo on the second line. Very different players that make the other team have to choose how to play the game. Do you put ROR against the alien or the Ox?  Unless you have two you’re screwed. PS leaf leftovers should be free or close to it. If you can’t olay good enough to get a contract on D in Toronto you should probably consider calling it a career

[Hairy Kneel]

I'd go after Dillon. Tough D man who fights and is like a Sbisa plus. Plus he is from Surrey.

[mll]

23 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

I'd go after Dillon. Tough D man who fights and is like a Sbisa plus. Plus he is from Surrey.

MacLellan at the end of July confirmed to reporters that they are trying to work out an extension with Dillon.  Earlier in July Dillon was saying that he was hopeful he could stay there.

 

Edited August 22, 2020 by mll

[Hairy Kneel]

8 hours ago, mll said:

MacLellan at the end of July confirmed to reporters that they are trying to work out an extension with Dillon.  Earlier in July Dillon was saying that he was hopeful he could stay there.

 

Just watched the July 14 interview. 

He said "things have been awesome and hopefully can be here" When asked about pending contract talks.

It'll probably take at least his current 3.2 M per at 3-4 years. If we offered:

4 M at 3-4 years I wonder if we could snag him. If they offer 4x4 money then we're looking at Tanev money to get him. Question @ 7:55 mins

https://www.nhl.com/capitals/video/brenden-dillon--july-14/t-277437440/c-5388940

Edited August 22, 2020 by Hairy Kneel

[86Viking]

8 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

I'd go after Dillon. Tough D man who fights and is like a Sbisa plus. Plus he is from Surrey.

Edmundson for me, guy is younger, likely can move and keep up better than Dillon and should cost less 

[D-Money]

Compared to most years, there is a ton of D talent available in free agency, particularly on the right side:

 

Pietrangelo

Byfuglien?

Barrie

Gudas

Schultz

Brodie

Hamonic

Braun

Shattenkirk

Vatanen (LD/RD)

Miller...

 

For one, this might keep the price down on Tanev. But secondly, there is a good possibility a couple of these guys will be left unsigned a few days into FA, and open to a short-term, potential bargain contract.

 

[86Viking]

1 hour ago, D-Money said:

Compared to most years, there is a ton of D talent available in free agency, particularly on the right side:

 

Pietrangelo

Byfuglien?

Barrie

Gudas

Schultz

Brodie

Hamonic

Braun

Shattenkirk

Vatanen (LD/RD)

Miller...

 

For one, this might keep the price down on Tanev. But secondly, there is a good possibility a couple of these guys will be left unsigned a few days into FA, and open to a short-term, potential bargain contract.

 

I agree, that is why I hope we try to move out some contracts to have the ability to try and add some quality D help to our team. Edmundson would be a great add as would Hamonic or on a cheap deal 1 of Schultz/Shattenkirk for offense.

 

I am okay signing Barrie but can't be long term and can't pay a huge price for him either, so feel like other team will outbid us for him.

[mll]

3 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Just watched the July 14 interview. 

He said "things have been awesome and hopefully can be here" When asked about pending contract talks.

It'll probably take at least his current 3.2 M per at 3-4 years. If we offered:

4 M at 3-4 years I wonder if we could snag him. If they offer 4x4 money then we're looking at Tanev money to get him. Question @ 7:55 mins

https://www.nhl.com/capitals/video/brenden-dillon--july-14/t-277437440/c-5388940

 

Washington have exclusive negotiations rights until free agency which should be on 9 October.  He might be off the market by then.  

  

[Gollumpus]

On 8/19/2020 at 2:16 PM, DarkIndianRises said:

[proposal] Signing Tyson Barrie to the Vancouver Canucks + bye to Tanev and possibly Stecher  

 

Here are some facts:

 

Here are some more facts:

 

          Tanev                                                  Barrie

GP -   514                                                      554

G -       22                                                        80

A -        96                                                      266

TP -    118                                                      346

+/- -   + 43                                                       -66

 

While the +/- stat should always be taken with a grain of salt, to me this is an indication that Barrie does not supply the type of game which will help this team as it currently stands. I see a greater need to keep the puck out of the Canucks' net, rather than putting the puck in to the other team's net.

 

                                                      regards,  G.

[mll]

On 8/22/2020 at 7:11 PM, Hairy Kneel said:

Just watched the July 14 interview. 

He said "things have been awesome and hopefully can be here" When asked about pending contract talks.

It'll probably take at least his current 3.2 M per at 3-4 years. If we offered:

4 M at 3-4 years I wonder if we could snag him. If they offer 4x4 money then we're looking at Tanev money to get him. Question @ 7:55 mins

https://www.nhl.com/capitals/video/brenden-dillon--july-14/t-277437440/c-5388940

 

Sounds like Dillon will test free agency but could still sign with Washington.  This was from the NHL's recap of MacLellan's end of season media availability.

https://www.nhl.com/news/capitals-ovechkin-holtby-contract-talks/c-318709566

 

MacLellan again expressed interest in re-signing defenseman Brenden Dillon, who was acquired in a trade from the San Jose Sharks on Feb. 18, but said the 29-year-old will explore his options as an unrestricted free agent, and the Capitals will do the same.

"We'll talk to his representatives as we get into free agency as we explore our opportunities, as will he, and then we'll make a decision based on that," MacLellan said.

[UKNuck96]

On 8/20/2020 at 7:57 PM, VegasCanuck said:

I don't think Barrie is the "Type" of D that we need right now. We have Hughes rolling hard right now, and we have Rathbone in the pipeline, possibly ready to go.

 

Tanev and his style of play is a commodity we need more of. My personal opinion is, we need to get tougher to play against in our own zone. We need someone who can instill fear into opposition, about going below our goal line. 

So we basically need 2 Myers? 

[D-Money]

27 minutes ago, mll said:

 

Sounds like Dillon will test free agency but could still sign with Washington.  This was from the NHL's recap of MacLellan's end of season media availability.

https://www.nhl.com/news/capitals-ovechkin-holtby-contract-talks/c-318709566

 

MacLellan again expressed interest in re-signing defenseman Brenden Dillon, who was acquired in a trade from the San Jose Sharks on Feb. 18, but said the 29-year-old will explore his options as an unrestricted free agent, and the Capitals will do the same.

"We'll talk to his representatives as we get into free agency as we explore our opportunities, as will he, and then we'll make a decision based on that," MacLellan said.

GMs have been bargain shopping since COVID. The biggest cap hit handed out in the last 5 months was for Merzlikins (2 years, $4M per). There are only 5 others that have exceeded $2M per (Fabbri, Lindblom, Halak, Korpisalo, Scandella).

 

The managers know that a big squeeze is coming league-wide, and a lot of 2nd tier and depth guys are going to end up having to take less. As much as Washington likes Dillon, I bet they were also trying to get him at a low rate. There might be some really good deals out there, so no sense for a GM to jump in unless he is convinced it is a bargain (i.e. - Scandella at almost a 20% pay cut).

Edited August 25, 2020 by D-Money

[Patel Bure]

Hughes-Myers

Edler-Barrie

Juolevi-[Benn-Stecher]
 

Hughes takes over for Edler as the top pairing dman on our team while Edler moves to the 2nd.   Myers, Edler, and one of Benn or Stecher (Canucks keep one of these) takes on the tougher defensive match-ups while Hughes, Barrie, and Juolevi take on more offensive roles.

 

The question that we need to ask, is if the offensive that Barrie would bring would outweigh the defensive prowess that Tanev would bring.    
 

While it’s definitely true that Tanev is arguably our best defenseman at taking on the toughest match-ups, the other side of the coin is that the Canucks only currently have one good puck moving dman in Hughes.   Myers is the other guy (half decent).    If you add Barrie to that mix however, you all of a sudden have two excellent PMD’s however that can help our forwards generate offense.

 

1) Hughes acts as a catalyst for the Miller-Horvat-Boeser line.  (Or whatever our top line ends up becoming).

 

2) Barrie acts as a catalyst for the Pearson-Pettersson-Toffoli line (or whatever our 1A/2nd line ends up becoming).  
 

Unlike previous seasons, both the Horvat line and Pettersson line would have both 

 

A) Two good wingers that can offensively complement the centers (up until the Toffoli trade, Horvat really only had Pearson)

 

B-) A good PMD on the back-end (Hughes was our only good PMD).