Coconuts Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: If louie retires today how much of his remaining salary does he get? None of it I believe, as he was signed before 35. Retiring is basically him walking away from a guaranteed 5m. Having him as an anchor is frustrating, but how many people are gonna walk away from a guaranteed 5m? Even among athletes who've made a lot of scratch that ain't common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Coconuts said: None of it I believe, as he was signed before 35. Retiring is basically him walking away from a guaranteed 5m. Having him as an anchor is frustrating, but how many people are gonna walk away from a guaranteed 5m? Even among athletes who've made a lot of scratch that ain't common. Loui has not lived up to his part of the deal if he had even one ounce of professionalism he would retire and walk away or he can choose to stick around and be the most hated player on the team I hope they ship him off to Utica in shame if he sticks around I get we signed him to a long term deal, that is a fact. Nobody could claim he did his part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, canuck2288 said: Loui has not lived up to his part of the deal if he had even one ounce of professionalism he would retire and walk away or he can choose to stick around and be the most hated player on the team I hope they ship him off to Utica in shame if he sticks around I get we signed him to a long term deal, that is a fact. Nobody could claim he did his part No sympathy for the turd. You got 31 of your 36 million. 90 percent of which was unearned so just go away now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, canuck2288 said: Loui has not lived up to his part of the deal if he had even one ounce of professionalism he would retire and walk away or he can choose to stick around and be the most hated player on the team I hope they ship him off to Utica in shame if he sticks around I get we signed him to a long term deal, that is a fact. Nobody could claim he did his part Perhaps, but we also signed him to the contract and it's guaranteed money If he terminates is he gonna make 5m during the remainder of his career with Covid putting a damper on available cap space for teams? I'd say there's a strong chance he doesn't Even if we ship him to Utica I wouldn't be surprised if he sucked it up and took the money Canucks fans can get as frustrated as they want, myself included, but someone walking away from a guaranteed 5m just ain't likely Edited October 11, 2020 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Just now, Coconuts said: Perhaps, but we also signed him to the contract and it's guaranteed money If he terminates is he gonna make 5m during the remainder of his career with Covid putting a damper on available cap space for teams? I'd say there's a strong chance he doesn't Even if we ship him to Utica I wouldn't be surprised if he sucked it up and took the money Canucks fans get as frustrated as they want, myself included, but someone walking away from a guaranteed 5m just ain't likely He signed the deal in good faith. He didn’t pull a Luca Brasi on a Benning for him to ink a deal. Nobody (including himself) expected his game to fall off a cliff from day one. The league has guaranteed contracts. It’s a business. I like him to retire as much as anyone but it isn’t realistic given the money on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Perhaps, but we also signed him to the contract and it's guaranteed money If he terminates is he gonna make 5m during the remainder of his career with Covid putting a damper on available cap space for teams? I'd say there's a strong chance he doesn't Even if we ship him to Utica I wouldn't be surprised if he sucked it up and took the money Canucks fans can get as frustrated as they want, myself included, but someone walking away from a guaranteed 5m just ain't likely Don’t disagree just suppose at some point just perhaps some professional pride kicks in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: He signed the deal in good faith. He didn’t pull a Luca Brasi on a Benning for him to ink a deal. Nobody (including himself) expected his game to fall off a cliff from day one. The league has guaranteed contracts. It’s a business. I like him to retire as much as anyone but it isn’t realistic given the money on the table. Well hopefully Louie likes Utica. NY being one of the Covid hubs, riding the bus, no 1st class lifestyle, it’ll be the first times he’s done something for his contract. If he’s not in Utica and there are fans in the stands he will be booed. The fans patience is done. It was fine when the Canucks weren’t good and he was just taking a spot and not costing anything. But now the Canucks are losing out on signing their own free agents and others because of this anchor. He will be booed mercifully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, sampy said: Well hopefully Louie likes Utica. NY being one of the Covid hubs, riding the bus, no 1st class lifestyle, it’ll be the first times he’s done something for his contract. If he’s not in Utica and there are fans in the stands he will be booed. The fans patience is done. It was fine when the Canucks weren’t good and he was just taking a spot and not costing anything. But now the Canucks are losing out on signing their own free agents and others because of this anchor. He will be booed mercifully. I feel like I time travelled back to last offseason. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, sampy said: Well hopefully Louie likes Utica. NY being one of the Covid hubs, riding the bus, no 1st class lifestyle, it’ll be the first times he’s done something for his contract. If he’s not in Utica and there are fans in the stands he will be booed. The fans patience is done. It was fine when the Canucks weren’t good and he was just taking a spot and not costing anything. But now the Canucks are losing out on signing their own free agents and others because of this anchor. He will be booed mercifully. Merciful booing? Anyway I don’t think it’s his contract that’s stoped is signing our own UFAs, we need to improve the D and Stech for all his heart doesn’t feature long term. Marky we were not going to give term and a NMC, Tanev potentiality could have signed but again his cap hit and term is probably a bit much as he won’t be here into the new cores era. does he stop us signing some other UFAs yes, and I wouldn’t argue that that’s not an issue, however any UFA we sign really needs to fit with our core and not be an older player looking for 7 years. the positive side is that his cap is being held for the next 2 years meaning when it comes off the books a lot of the other contracts also do so we will be able to go shopping at a point when we are ready to not just compete in the playoffs but challenge for a cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 22 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Perhaps, but we also signed him to the contract and it's guaranteed money If he terminates is he gonna make 5m during the remainder of his career with Covid putting a damper on available cap space for teams? I'd say there's a strong chance he doesn't Even if we ship him to Utica I wouldn't be surprised if he sucked it up and took the money Canucks fans can get as frustrated as they want, myself included, but someone walking away from a guaranteed 5m just ain't likely Here's hoping... 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, theo5789 said: I feel like I time travelled back to last offseason. ..and the season before, and... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, theo5789 said: I feel like I time travelled back to last offseason. Haha you’re right. Though last season Canucks were still hoping to be competitive, this year it is expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) Retire Loui and give him a post as PK coach for 2 years at $2.5 per Edit: could actually do 2 x 2, as there is no escrow on management salaries Edited October 11, 2020 by Googlie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Googlie said: Retire Loui and give him a post as PK coach for 2 years at $2.5 per Just like Luongo did in Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sampy said: Just like Luongo did in Florida. Didn't some team do that for Pronger too, but even worse, as he was LTIR at the time and that freed LTIR for another player, so double benefit? https://forum.canucks.com/topic/352329-report-pronger-will-never-play-again-the-ltir-cap-circumvention And https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2226616-why-the-nhl-made-the-wrong-move-by-hiring-chris-pronger Edited October 11, 2020 by Googlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Googlie said: Retire Loui and give him a post as PK coach for 2 years at $2.5 per Edit: could actually do 2 x 2, as there is no escrow on management salaries That's cap circumvention to have someone retire to get his cap off the books and then overpay way beyond market to compensate for the loss in salary. The Canucks would get fined and the fines would count against the salary cap and it could even lead to the loss of draft picks. Edited October 11, 2020 by mll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 This talk of Eriksson reminded me of Turkey dinner... maybe it should be a Beef Jerky dinner instead ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Just now, SilentSam said: This talk of Eriksson reminded me of Turkey dinner... maybe it should be a Beef Jerky dinner instead ? Nah get some Surstromming 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, mll said: That's cap circumvention to have someone retire to get his cap off the books and then overpay way beyond market to compensate for the loss in salary. The Canucks would get fined and the fines would count against the salary and it could even lead to the loss of draft picks. So just wait 6 months like Luongo did ..... https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/roberto-luongo-florida-panthers-canucks-management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 19 hours ago, aGENT said: Because if they want to fill out a roster AND sign AP, they're going to have to move cap. Lots of it. Have you seen what decent players have been traded for this offseason? Scraps. They get to upgrade Schmidt to AP, we help them clear cap and send them a cheap 3RD replacement in exchange. CBJ are also in the process of clearing cap, need F's (Roussel) and have too many D and have already been rumored to be looking to move Savard. If JB could get Cernak and Savard that would be pretty cool. cernak for cheap and savard for a reasonable price would beef up and upgrade our back end I think. Hughes-Cernak Edler-Myers Juolevi-Savard Benn Think that would be an upgrade on our defence. And it’s possible not sure what it would take to get savard but feel like we could snag cernak away from them for just picks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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