Coronavirus outbreak

[kingofsurrey]

3 minutes ago, Robert Long said:

with respect King, you're being a bit of a spaz. If you look at how we did compared to other G20 countries we've done well in terms of staff safety. 

 

You seem to want to blame Henry for the pandemic itself. 

With respect RL - the death / loss of any health worker is sad and tragic.  Espcially with rampant complaints by staff of lack of PPE and poor quality PPE....    It is not perceived as doing quite well.   This is across Canada and not only here in BC by the way. 

 

Edited October 5, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[JM_]

1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:

With respect RL - the death / loss of any health worker is sad and tragic.  Espcially with rampant complaints by staff of lack of PPE and poor quality PPE....    It is not perceived as doing quite well.   This is across Canada and not only here in BC by the way. 

 

of course it is. But there's no way to keep 100% of staff safe in a global pandemic. Thats an impossible standard to meet. 

[kingofsurrey]

27 minutes ago, Robert Long said:

of course it is. But there's no way to keep 100% of staff safe in a global pandemic. Thats an impossible standard to meet. 

 

 

The shortages of PPE have also made it difficult to stick to one of the key lesson from SARS: erring on the side of caution in the absence of reliable data, which is known as the precautionary principle.

 

“One barrier continues to be the stubborn resistance (by the province) to accept the possibility that the virus could be airborne which had implications for anyone in congregate living and the workforce,” said Hurley. “We’re not saying it is airborne, we’re saying it could be airborne and we should take precautions appropriate to an airborne virus. But they won’t do that and that is a profound mistake which they are driving forward into a second wave.”

 

https://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/news/niagara-region/2020/09/10/ontario-didnt-learn-the-lessons-from-sars-leaving-it-vulnerable-to-covid-19.html

[skategal]

7 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

 

 

The shortages of PPE have also made it difficult to stick to one of the key lesson from SARS: erring on the side of caution in the absence of reliable data, which is known as the precautionary principle.

 

“One barrier continues to be the stubborn resistance (by the province) to accept the possibility that the virus could be airborne which had implications for anyone in congregate living and the workforce,” said Hurley. “We’re not saying it is airborne, we’re saying it could be airborne and we should take precautions appropriate to an airborne virus. But they won’t do that and that is a profound mistake which they are driving forward into a second wave.”

 

https://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/news/niagara-region/2020/09/10/ontario-didnt-learn-the-lessons-from-sars-leaving-it-vulnerable-to-covid-19.html

Why are you trying to blame Dr Henry for what is going on in Ontario?  She has been in BC since 2005.  

[Sharpshooter]

Just now, skategal said:

Why are you trying to blame Dr Henry for what is going on in Ontario?  She has been in BC since 2005.  

KoS is trying to show the slow response of Dr. Henry. 

 

While I respect Dr. B., I also want our public health officials to be more proactive before things go south and then at the least be more reactive as things actually are going south.

 

KoS is not the enemy, the slow reaction and slow proactivity of our Chief Medical Officer is what’s under scrutiny, and it should be so, without hyperbolic shaming/vilification.  

[skategal]

5 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

KoS is trying to show the slow response of Dr. Henry. 

 

While I respect Dr. B., I also want our public health officials to be more proactive before things go south and then at the least be more reactive as things actually are going south.

 

KoS is not the enemy, the slow reaction and slow proactivity of our Chief Medical Officer is what’s under scrutiny, and it should be so, without hyperbolic shaming/vilification.  

Opinions, right?  

[kingofsurrey]

4 minutes ago, skategal said:

Opinions, right?  

Yah , exactly. Now  you got it.  We are all allowed in Canada to think freely.   The goal for all of us is to stay safe through this pandemic. 

[skategal]

13 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

The goal for all of us is to stay safe through this pandemic. 

My wish for everyone!  

 

Back to the Trades thread, more interesting posts there.  I need to practice more self discipline and stay out of this thread as nothing good comes from any foray into it.  

[Sharpshooter]

40 minutes ago, skategal said:

Opinions, right?  

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not their own facts. 
 

Let’s not vilify or make fun of those who are giving opinions based on actual facts. 
 

I don’t agree with KoS on everything. In fact I call him out on many things. 
 

KoS may get under your skin due to his incessant postings about the subject surrounding schools/COVID-19/ NDP govt, etc. However, he has always based his opinions on reports that can be verified, even if we disagree on the voracity of his opinions and resulting critiques. 
 

We can all critique and praise this govt, this Chief Medical Officer, our peers, and be correct and wrong depending on the situation/understanding that those are based on. 
 

Let’s try to be calm, be kind, and take the knowledge that we add/glean from this thread to protect ourselves/family/friends/co-workers. 
 

We, as a society, are truly and really all in ‘this’ together. 

[JM_]

2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

 

 

The shortages of PPE have also made it difficult to stick to one of the key lesson from SARS: erring on the side of caution in the absence of reliable data, which is known as the precautionary principle.

 

“One barrier continues to be the stubborn resistance (by the province) to accept the possibility that the virus could be airborne which had implications for anyone in congregate living and the workforce,” said Hurley. “We’re not saying it is airborne, we’re saying it could be airborne and we should take precautions appropriate to an airborne virus. But they won’t do that and that is a profound mistake which they are driving forward into a second wave.”

 

https://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/news/niagara-region/2020/09/10/ontario-didnt-learn-the-lessons-from-sars-leaving-it-vulnerable-to-covid-19.html

you would have to outfit everyone in healthcare with devices called PAPR's. No one makes enough of them to do that, let alone the astronomical costs for "might". 

 

[kingofsurrey]

Just now, Robert Long said:

you would have to outfit everyone in healthcare with devices called PAPR's. No one makes enough of them to do that, let alone the astronomical costs for "might". 

 

Not true.    Basic PPE in hospitals has been limited to health care workers.....

 

School teachers were provided next to ZERO  PPE  or plastic barriers.... to work in crowded poorly ventilated portables all day with up to 30 kids....

[JM_]

Just now, kingofsurrey said:

Not true.    Basic PPE in hospitals has been limited to health care workers.....

 

School teachers were provided next to ZERO  PPE  or plastic barriers.... to work in crowded poorly ventilated portables all day with up to 30 kids....

look at the science King, for once, if you can, before responding. 

[kingofsurrey]

34 minutes ago, Robert Long said:

look at the science King, for once, if you can, before responding. 

Now that is rich... even for you.  Hospitals in Canada  need not be run in a constantly increasing efficiency....  if this results in a race to the bottom where hospital workers are lacking adequate PPE to do their jobs safely....

 

All workers essential and non essential deserve basic PPE to remain safe at the work sites.

 

At LEAST NURSES got some PPE -  teachers in BC got nothing from the NDP government...

I realize RL works from home... so he probably isn't too concerned about others not getting PPE to work with public during a Pandemic....

 

 

 

Hundreds of nurses across British Columbia have filed complaints over lack of adequate personal protective equipment while battling COVID-19 on the front lines of this pandemic.

 

Since March 20th, the BC Nurses’ Union has received 1,700 complaints from nurses who are concerned their employers have not been able to provide PPEs crucial to keeping front line workers safe during the COVID-19 pandemic.

 

https://www.victoriabuzz.com/2020/05/bc-nurses-union-receives-1700-complaints-from-nurses-about-lack-of-ppes-during-pandemic/

Edited October 6, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[kingofsurrey]

This is what the military found in Quebec Care homes....

 

Rooms infested with cockroaches and contaminated with feces.

Patients force-fed to the point of choking.

Staff afraid to use vital supplies and personal protective equipment “because they cost money.”

People with COVID-19 allowed to wander from room to room.

 

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2020/05/26/news/military-report-finds-gruesome-conditions-abuse-inside-5-ontario-long-term-care

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[-DLC-]

^Hope he's ok...I guess this might (hopefully) resonate with some young people who feel invincible.  Not that there's any "good" in this update, just that it can serve as a reminder to so many who are taking this thing lightly.

[kingofsurrey]

27 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

^Hope he's ok...I guess this might (hopefully) resonate with some young people who feel invincible.  Not that there's any "good" in this update, just that it can serve as a reminder to so many who are taking this thing lightly.

Hopefully Connor uses his situation to teach others about safe behaviors to avoid covid.. Use his negative situation....   in a positive manner to help educate others... 

 

Not like the orange monster to the south that will likely use his covid experience in a way to put others further at risk...

Edited October 6, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[thedestroyerofworlds]

1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Now, hopefully the COVIDiots in Alberta will change their tune, now that McJesus got the COVID. 

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Now, hopefully the COVIDiots in Alberta will change their tune, now that McJesus got the COVID. 

[wiseupsucker]

6 hours ago, Sharpshooter said:

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not their own facts. 
 

Let’s not vilify or make fun of those who are giving opinions based on actual facts. 
 

I don’t agree with KoS on everything. In fact I call him out on many things. 
 

KoS may get under your skin due to his incessant postings about the subject surrounding schools/COVID-19/ NDP govt, etc. However, he has always based his opinions on reports that can be verified, even if we disagree on the voracity of his opinions and resulting critiques. 
 

We can all critique and praise this govt, this Chief Medical Officer, our peers, and be correct and wrong depending on the situation/understanding that those are based on. 
 

Let’s try to be calm, be kind, and take the knowledge that we add/glean from this thread to protect ourselves/family/friends/co-workers. 
 

We, as a society, are truly and really all in ‘this’ together. 

I dunno man, KoS beats the NDP and Bonnie Henry anti mask and anti social distancing drum pretty hard where his claims are full of half truths and hyperbole. The ONE thing he does well is to incessantly repeat the same things over and over again, something of which most politicians do to get their semi wrong point across. He should be rightfully called out on some of this stuff. It's tiring to a lot of posters and really lends nothing to a constructive conversation. (let's not forget his douchey responses he gives when people call him out on it)