Coronavirus outbreak

[bishopshodan]

2 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

I dunno... slaughterhouse is right up there, if not past it.  Abattoir sounds so much more... "elegant"?  "sophisticated?" ...at least less yucky than "slaughterhouse".  

you make a great point but slaughterhouse tells you its tale in it's title.

 

wet market makes you figure it out... they are putting the bodies on ice...the floor is always wet from the dripping flesh..

 

yuck.

 

ok, I'll admit it, I'm a vegetarian. 

 

 

[nuckin_futz]

4 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

Australia is getting silly with their protests.

Watched some footage of the crowds acting dumb, trying to freak out the police horses. They should let those mounted cops gallop through the lot of them.

 

France is also hitting the streets to annoy each other. 

 

 

 

This was about 5 days ago. Elysee Palace is where French President Macron lives.

 

That open door oooof.

[4petesake]

19 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

 

This was about 5 days ago. Elysee Palace is where French President Macron lives.

 

That open door oooof.

I would have enjoyed seeing a few holes shot into the manure spreader on the onlookers side. 

[Russ]

3 hours ago, Kurgom said:

If it is from a wet market, this is what, the 4th major disease to come out of there in the last 20 years? Of course China will never shut them down, or they will for a few months until everyone forgets like last time.

That's what they did with the Sars outbreak in 2013 (I think that's when it was?) they were shut down temp but came right back. Until crap like that, where the facts keep pointing to them creating diseases, get shut down then there's another chance something will come out of it again that will effect livestock or humans. Issue is nobody will piss off China and they will continue pulling this crap until the end of time. 

[gurn]

20 minutes ago, Russ said:

That's what they did with the Sars outbreak in 2013 (I think that's when it was?) they were shut down temp but came right back. Until crap like that, where the facts keep pointing to them creating diseases, get shut down then there's another chance something will come out of it again that will effect livestock or humans. Issue is nobody will piss off China and they will continue pulling this crap until the end of time. 

And we, the consumers of the west, will continue to buy cheap stuff from them, cause.......... cheap.

[CBH1926]

10 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

This was sort of my thinking as well, although I believe there still might be vaccine hesitant people in the US, as apposed to the hardcore anti-vaxxers. This is why I would advocate for a final push to see if those people can be swayed and include a hard deadline.

 

After that, the free vaccines get shipped off to places where they'll be used and anyone who changes their mind after that (In the US or Canada) pays for it.

We are starting to see uptick in vaccination rates amongst those that live in the Deep South.

Hopefully rates go up because Mississippi was at like 33% or so, but that’s a different country down there.

Also still lot of younger people feel that they don’t need the vaccine.

 

[Ghostsof1915]

All this and I'm really worried about.....

Hockey Games.

 

But I have to say I think the Province needs to step back a minute and freeze the easing of restrictions. 

Like the circuit breaker thing we did a few months ago. 

[Russ]

9 minutes ago, gurn said:

And we, the consumers of the west, will continue to buy cheap stuff from them, cause.......... cheap.

Yup no other country will ever be able to match their manufacturing abilities no matter how hard we try.

[Ghostsof1915]

6 minutes ago, Russ said:

Yup no other country will ever be able to match their manufacturing abilities no matter how hard we try.

Then build you know quality products? Market share isn't the end all be all. As long as customers see value, and quality. 

Yes, a coffee maker can be cheap, and it breaks in months. Or you can buy a French Press, or a quality expresso machine that lasts for years. 

Usually when I pay a little bit more than the cheaper brands, I find they last longer, and don't frustrate me. 

 

 

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

9 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Then build you know quality products? Market share isn't the end all be all. As long as customers see value, and quality. 

Yes, a coffee maker can be cheap, and it breaks in months. Or you can buy a French Press, or a quality expresso machine that lasts for years. 

Usually when I pay a little bit more than the cheaper brands, I find they last longer, and don't frustrate me. 

 

 

There's a lot to be said for goods that are durable and aren't single use/subject to "planned obsolescence".  At the very least, the sustainability aspect is more forgiving on the environment.  Plus, quality goods generally beget quality outcomes.

 

The danger of chasing profit by reducing costs at all costs (pun intended) is that when you outsource production capability to the lowest-cost facilities outside of your home jurisdiction, you run the risk of losing production altogether.  And I'm not talking about manufacturing, but the whole supply chain as well.  Not to mention the loss of production capability makes it more difficult to re-start production on an as-needed basis, as this pandemic has demonstrated many times over.

 

Sadly, this is a lesson that we'll "unlearn" as the immediacy of the pandemic elapses, and we'll be back to chasing the almighty profit, and then we'll have our balls back into the vice grip of low-cost offshore production.

[stawns]

I can't believe I heard this right.  They can't possibly be this stupid can they?  And they're going to flood bc in the next month

 

"Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Deena Hinshaw, in her first COVID-19 update since June 29, announced Wednesday that starting Aug. 16, people who test positive for COVID-19 will not be mandated to quarantine anymore, but the province will recommend it."

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/calgary/2021/7/28/1_5527222.html

[johngould21]

9 minutes ago, stawns said:

I can't believe I heard this right.  They can't possibly be this stupid can they?  And they're going to flood bc in the next month

 

"Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Deena Hinshaw, in her first COVID-19 update since June 29, announced Wednesday that starting Aug. 16, people who test positive for COVID-19 will not be mandated to quarantine anymore, but the province will recommend it."

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/calgary/2021/7/28/1_5527222.html

Apparently the doctors and medical professionals are pushing back on this mandate. But hell what do they know? The little man with the big hat is an expert on this, so he says.

[stawns]

Just now, johngould21 said:

Apparently the doctors and medical professionals are pushing back on this mandate. But hell what do they know? The little man with the big hat is an expert on this, so he says.

There have been some baffling decisions during this pandemic, but this one goes beyond stupid

[johngould21]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

There have been some baffling decisions during this pandemic, but this one goes beyond stupid

It sure does. Right along the lines of a Republican held State.

[Violator]

Hopefully I can line up my second shot tomorrow up in camp.

 

All of my vaccination dates were unavailable during days off

[Mj2345]

Florida hit record highs for cases and hospital

Edited August 2, 2021 by Mj2345

[drummer4now]

12 hours ago, johngould21 said:

Apparently the doctors and medical professionals are pushing back on this mandate. But hell what do they know? The little man with the big hat is an expert on this, so he says.

I wouldn’t trust him on his other main expertise “pipelines” either. 
 

Billions of dollars in the hole. 
 

Imagine if Horgan made such an error people in BC would never let him live it down. It be worse than the Gordon Campbell years or Christie Clark. 
 

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by drummer4now

[JM_]

12 hours ago, drummer4now said:

I wouldn’t trust him on his other main expertise “pipelines” either. 
 

Billions of dollars in the hole. 
 

Imagine if Horgan made such an error people in BC would never let him live it down. It be worse than the Gordon Campbell years or Christie Clark. 
 

 

Not a chance, Teflon John would not be held to account for it here, if he did a similar thing to AB or NB. Look at the things he's been given a pass on so far? I think people who support him here would keep supporting him. 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

On 7/26/2021 at 4:27 PM, stawns said:

Modern conservatives

 

Covid - "my body, my choice"

 

Abortion "BABY MURDERER"

Killing is against God's law.

 

Capital Punishment:  err, nevermind.

[MikeBossy]

On 8/1/2021 at 8:02 AM, johngould21 said:

Apparently the doctors and medical professionals are pushing back on this mandate. But hell what do they know? The little man with the big hat is an expert on this, so he says.

Supposedly its all the CMOH Dr (using that term loosely here) Deena Hinshaw according to my provincial Health Minister 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-health-minister-covid-lift-orders-1.6123883

 

Alberta's health minister says chief medical officer came up with plan to lift all COVID-19 orders

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Shandro says Hinshaw came to government with plan; Calgary mayor calls move 'height of insanity'

The Canadian Press · Posted: Jul 30, 2021 9:57 AM MT | Last Updated: July 30

 

Alberta Health Minister Tyler Shandro, left, and the province's chief medical officer of health, Dr. Deena Hinshaw. (Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press; Art Raham/CBC)

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Alberta's health minister says it was the idea of the province's chief medical officer of health to end isolation requirements for those who test positive for COVID-19 or who have been in close contact with someone who has.

Tyler Shandro said Dr. Deena Hinshaw came to the government with the plan. He said the government agreed with science and data supporting it and wanted to respect the independence of her position.

 

"It came from Dr. Hinshaw," Shandro said Thursday when asked about the province's strategy. "This is work that was developed by those who are in public health."

He acknowledged concerns about moving forward so quickly. "We have many different opinions in the medical community, and that's to be expected and that's encouraged."

He also said that while Alberta is alone in Canada in the approach, others will eventually follow suit.

"We are leading the way in moving to the endemic [phase of the COVID-19] response. We've led the way throughout in the response to the pandemic, quite frankly."

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Hinshaw has always said she presents scientific evidence, numbers and trends, but the final decision on how to respond to pandemic developments lies with the government.

Close contacts of positive cases are no longer notified of exposure by contact tracers, nor are they required to isolate. The government has also ended asymptomatic testing.

As of Aug. 16, individuals who test positive won't be legally required to isolate either — although it will still be recommended. Isolation hotels will close and quarantine supports will end.

Reaction to Hinshaw's announcement on Wednesday was swift and critical — much of it on Twitter. Opposition politicians, the medical community and private citizens all weighed in.

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On Thursday, Dr. Daniel Gregson, an infectious disease specialist with the University of Calgary, said the government's decision to end mandated isolation is irresponsible.

"The message we're sending is that if you have an infection with COVID, or think you might have an infection with COVID, you can do whatever you want," he said. "I would not agree with that."

Gregson said a fourth wave is inevitable, primarily among young and healthy individuals. "We are going to see a bump in our hospitalizations. The question is how much?"

Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi said it's inconceivable that Alberta is eliminating almost all of its remaining COVID-19 public health orders as cases climb in the province.

 

Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi said it's inconceivable that Alberta is eliminating almost all of its remaining COVID-19 public health orders as cases climb in the province. (CBC)

"It is the height of insanity," Nenshi said.

"It is putting the health of Albertans at risk to stop contact tracing, to stop testing people for the coronavirus and to become one of the first — if not the first — jurisdictions in the world to say that people who have tested positive, who are infectious, can just go about their lives."

Nenshi said if he were in another jurisdiction, he would contemplate travel restrictions on Albertans starting Aug. 16.

"I'm aware of no science that backs this up," he said. "Even the most fervent of the anti-maskers wouldn't say [to] unleash people who are actually infectious into the population."

Nenshi said he worries the decision to lift the orders is politically motivated and has nothing to do with science.

Concerns over return to school

Rida Abboud also questioned the province's motives.

Abboud, who teaches at Calgary's Mount Royal University and has a child starting kindergarten in the fall, said the governing United Conservatives are taking a gamble — and the odds aren't in their favour.

"I feel like I'm sending my child into the COVID Wild Wild West," she said. "It really feels like this government has no interest whatsoever in supporting families in ... diminishing the risks to anyone under the age of 12 who can't get vaccinated."

She's also worried about returning to the classroom come September. Abboud said poorly ventilated rooms and teaching an age cohort with lower vaccination rates is concerning, especially as it won't be known who is infected.

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"This government likes to gamble on a lot of different approaches. They've lost in many ways, and this is, I think, unfortunately another one," Abboud said. "It's just so shocking and saddening that it's on the backs of parents and women, in particular."

Opposition NDP Leader Rachel Notley urged the government to reverse course with necessary resources.

"This isn't fair to Albertans. It's not fair for them to be exposed and not know," she said. "It's also quite reasonable to keep asking Albertans who are infected to stay home until they are no longer contagious."

Notley said the changes will do little to encourage uptake of vaccines.