King Heffy Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: I'm guessing they back off of this one quietly. He's not wrong. Bring back the MSP for the antivaxxers here. For people who love to use the smoking comparison, look at how heavily tobacco is taxed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: I'm guessing they back off of this one quietly. well thats interesting. Quebec is pretty darn crafty, I don't think Legault says this if he doesn't think he can pull it off. I'd love to see this across the rest of the country, it might just get the majority of anti-vax to the clinic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 A good read, highlights many of the current and ongoing problems in hospitals and schools.https://www.capitaldaily.ca/news/omicron-is-upending-vancouver-island-hospitals-and-schools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: He's not wrong. Bring back the MSP for the antivaxxers here. For people who love to use the smoking comparison, look at how heavily tobacco is taxed. I'd be fine with this kind of thing for higher risk activities. We go to the backcountry, and I'd be just fine with paying to help cover any accident or search and rescue costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Quebec has had enough. News reporting that anyone not vaxxed without an approved exemption will be paying significantly more medical fees.. details not provided on how that rolls out ( upfront increase or only if.they seek medical aide ) But it's clear that across Canada patients with unvaxxed by choice has run out and id suspect more chabges canada wide in short order Ctv reporting record hospitalizations in Quebec and Ontario and over 60.deaths in Quebec alone 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Well, there is a move in the US for companies to charge unvaccinated more. So it kinda isn't unprecedented. https://www.npr.org/2021/11/22/1056238770/covid-delta-unvaccinated-higher-health-insurance-premiums Companies are telling unvaccinated workers to pay more for health insurance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, iwtl said: Quebec has had enough. News reporting that anyone not vaxxed without an approved exemption will be paying significantly more medical fees.. details not provided on how that rolls out ( upfront increase or only if.they seek medical aide ) But it's clear that across Canada patients with unvaxxed by choice has run out and id suspect more chabges canada wide in short order Ctv reporting record hospitalizations in Quebec and Ontario and over 60.deaths in Quebec alone Ontario over 3000 hospitalizations, a record for the pandemic, was around 220 3 weeks ago. 80 people added to ICU yesterday, a record for the pandemic. 54% less likely to get you sick... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatzkek Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: Ontario over 3000 hospitalizations, a record for the pandemic, was around 220 3 weeks ago. 80 people added to ICU yesterday, a record for the pandemic. 54% less likely to get you sick... 83 % of Ontario is vaccinated and they make up 76% of the hospitalizations today. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations https://covid19tracker.ca/provincevac.html?p=ON Edited January 11, 2022 by Gatzkek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckster19 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, 4petesake said: This from Global News BC last night. Note that this little girl has already lost one kidney to this disease. Her “non-urgent” surgery has been cancelled. Please don’t anyone try to tell me that an anti-vaxxer is more important. https://globalnews.ca/news/8502090/bc-girl-surgery-delayed-pandemic/ Jesus, hang the anti-vaxxers from a tree so she can have her surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckster19 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 40 minutes ago, JM_ said: well thats interesting. Quebec is pretty darn crafty, I don't think Legault says this if he doesn't think he can pull it off. I'd love to see this across the rest of the country, it might just get the majority of anti-vax to the clinic. And further prove what a bunch of hypocrite sham artists they really are. Hit them in the wallet like anything else and they'll fall in line like the good sheep they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, canuckster19 said: Jesus, hang the anti-vaxxers from a tree so she can have her surgery. No, just boot them out of the hospital, until all the other important medical stuff is done; for those that cared enough to do what is right for the greater good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 minute ago, gurn said: No, just boot them out of the hospital, until all the other important medical stuff is done; for those that cared enough to do what is right for the greater good. They love doing their own research anyway, wouldn't want to force them to take any of the experimental treatments used in the hospital. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 27 minutes ago, Gatzkek said: 77 % of Ontario is vaccinated and they make up 76% of the hospitalizations today. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations https://covid19tracker.ca/provincevac.html?p=ON You know how ratios work? Or? So, 77.45 of all people from Ontario are fully vaccinated. 1735 fully pr partially vaccinated people are in the hospital with covid related symptoms. leaving /13 of that or 552 unvaccinated people being unvaccinated in the hospital. Further more, 172 people fully or partially vaccinated are in Ontario ICU beds and 138 unvaccinated are in there. Meaning, that over 1/3 of ALL hospitalized cases come from less than 23% of the population. Do you know why these ratios matter? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatzkek Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Warhippy said: You know how ratios work? Or? So, 77.45 of all people from Ontario are fully vaccinated. 1735 fully pr partially vaccinated people are in the hospital with covid related symptoms. leaving /13 of that or 552 unvaccinated people being unvaccinated in the hospital. Further more, 172 people fully or partially vaccinated are in Ontario ICU beds and 138 unvaccinated are in there. Meaning, that over 1/3 of ALL hospitalized cases come from less than 23% of the population. Do you know why these ratios matter? With the ICU included 26.5% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people. Only 17% of the population are unvaccinated. You are correct to point this out. Edited January 11, 2022 by Gatzkek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said: I'm guessing they back off of this one quietly. Nahh, single payer system is still an insurance scheme and it is only natural to charge more premium for those with an avoidable risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: He's not wrong. Bring back the MSP for the antivaxxers here. For people who love to use the smoking comparison, look at how heavily tobacco is taxed. Private insurance like travel, life, etc has always cost more for smokers so it’s not like there isn’t already a precedent for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industrious1 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Oh, Canada. The cheers and applause as we sink deeper and deeper is the truly troubling part. There was scene like this in one of the Star Wars movies I seen when I was a younger man, right now it keeps playing in my head. I realize this comment will be picked apart and laid bare, that is fine. Still won't change the darker tone that our once great country has taken on over the last couple years. I fear for what the future will look like for my daughter and her generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Industrious1 said: Oh, Canada. The cheers and applause as we sink deeper and deeper is the truly troubling part. There was scene like this in one of the Star Wars movies I seen when I was a younger man, right now it keeps playing in my head. I realize this comment will be picked apart and laid bare, that is fine. Still won't change the darker tone that our once great country has taken on over the last couple years. I fear for what the future will look like for my daughter and her generation. Darker tone? How so? Are you talking about Covid or Climate change? Or just the anti vaccination whine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 29 minutes ago, Gatzkek said: With the ICU included 26.5% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people. Only 17% of the population are unvaccinated. You are correct to point this out. It's a pretty damning distinction when it is weighed against the majority being vaccinated and that's inarguable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, canuckster19 said: And further prove what a bunch of hypocrite sham artists they really are. Hit them in the wallet like anything else and they'll fall in line like the good sheep they are. usually works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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