Down by the River Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 47 minutes ago, Dustbin said: Elon Musk didn't discover Hcq. It's been in use for covid for months. Still no study complete by illustrious scientific researchers. It takes 10 days! Pathetic , inept, disgusting. Luckily there are many health professionals who are able to ethically study the treatment without leaving half their patients at risk in a blind study for "science". Many drugs are used "off label" and many drugs in use now have never been proven in a double blind study where people can die for science. If you have a question just ask. The guy in charge says the doctors are using it, the doctors say their using it, the patients say they're getting it, stocks are running low, countries are hoarding their suppIies, I don't know what to tell you. https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/23/804620/ India adopts use of Hydroxychloroquine for prevention of COVID19 in Health workers Hydroxy-chloroquine has been recommended as the use for preventive treatment of healthcare workers and individuals in close contact of coronavirus patients. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ingrahams-medicine-cabinet-effectiveness-hydroxychloroquine-032642054.html https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/ https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2020/03/29/hydroxychloroquine-help-is-on-the-way-n2565926 Doctors began prescribing off-label use and in doing so are replicating the clinical results in remarkable fashion. One doctor in Monroe, New York has treated in excess of 700 patients. As of this writing he’s lost zero patients to death, zero to intubation, and only two to hospitalization. Another doctor in New York City has treated in excess of 100 patients with zero deaths. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8148463/US-doctors-hoarding-drugs-tested-treating-coronavirus.html If nothing else get your double blind study done you useless POS's. The only way to ethically conclude that a drug is effective is to properly assess its impact. A useful drug could just as easily be rejected by poorly designed research. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Life in Melbourne; https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/victorian-government-announces-dollar500m-package-for-private-rental-sector/ar-BB12DtEI?li=AAgfLCP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 'Beyond Predatory': Trump Treasury Department Gives Banks Green Light to Seize $1,200 Stimulus Checks to Pay Off Debts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Life in Perth; https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/perth-man-jailed-for-coronavirus-quarantine-breach-after-repeatedly-sneaking-out-of-hotel/ar-BB12DwAZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Me_ said: 'Beyond Predatory': Trump Treasury Department Gives Banks Green Light to Seize $1,200 Stimulus Checks to Pay Off Debts I don’t think it will happen, JPM has already opted out, WFC, BAC, C etc. will follow soon. Too much bad publicity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 April 02: One million cases April 14: Two million cases Doubled in 12 days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: April 02: One million cases April 14: Two million cases Doubled in 12 days. The fun has just begun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharpshooter Posted April 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: April 02: One million cases April 14: Two million cases Doubled in 12 days. And that’s the definition of exponential. That’s what some people don’t get. If the rate of infection is double, then conservatively, 1 person can give to 2, 2 can to 4, 4 can give to 8 and so on. It may take awhile for the numbers to get overwhelming for our hospitals, but it doesn’t take THAT long. This is why physical distancing and staying the f**k home is so very god damn important. If you’re one of the donkeys that isn’t staying home on a daily basis, and riding the buses, Skytrain, or going for a run in a crowded place, or sightseeing, or hitting the shops that might be open for non-essential groceries/soil/kites/seed/and a whole host of things you don’t need to survive, etc, then you’re part of the potential problem. Think. Order in, stay inside. We’re almost out of this sh**. Do your part to not drag us back in to it. Peace. Edited April 15, 2020 by Sharpshooter 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) On 4/13/2020 at 10:07 PM, Curmudgeon said: Anybody remember Woodward's peanut butter in gold coloured one pound tins with a pry off lid? Just peanuts, a little peanut oil and a bit of salt. I liked crunchy but everybody else in the family liked it smooth. Here's a question for those of you who eat peanut butter on toast: Do you apply the peanut butter while the toast is still hot to warm, or do you wait until the toast is cold and apply the peanut butter to a crunchier toast? I thought everybody liked it still warm but my wife's family were English and preferred their toast cold. Is that a thing? The English cook book... Boil or fry the sh#t out of it. Doesn’t surprise me that they like their toast cold. Ugh Edited April 15, 2020 by PistolPete13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 48 minutes ago, PistolPete13 said: The English cook book... Boil or fry the sh#t out of it. Doesn’t surprise me that they like their trash cold. Ugh This is especially common for English folks from posh backgrounds. Back in the day, by time the servants brought the toast to them from the kitchen, it was always cold. At least that’s what my mother-in-law tells me, and she’s from a very English and very posh family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharpshooter Posted April 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2020 Just now, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: This is especially common for English folks from posh backgrounds. Back in the day, by time the servants brought the toast to them from the kitchen, it was always cold. At least that’s what my mother-in-law tells me, and she’s from a very English and very posh family. Have you told your mum in-law what you want, what you really really want? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustbin Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 9 hours ago, Down by the River said: The only way to ethically conclude that a drug is effective is to properly assess its impact. A useful drug could just as easily be rejected by poorly designed research. lol. True. But the text defaulted there so I went with it (and I was yelling at researchers). I do appreciate your tone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 12 hours ago, sonoman said: Your source for a dubious pharmaceutical treatment is a fringe economist who is an advisor to Trump? we don't know how effective it is yet, it may be a good idea in low dosages combined with other drugs. Unfortunately Trump's yapping about it has politicized it and people are dismissing it too, when we really just need to wait for the WHO trials to complete in the next few weeks. Assuming of course they have the money left to do that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) lol...Urine man has such a big ego, he managed to get his name on every one those 'emergency cheques' given to it's citizens (re: virus). Though he wanted it in the 'signed by' area....that ain't legal. Instead, his name will appear in the 'memo' section of a cheque. What a sack of ****. Even Pretty Boy Justin ain't that vain. Heck, Bill Vander Zalm ain't that vain. Edited April 15, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungass Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 12 hours ago, Dustbin said: Elon Musk didn't discover Hcq. It's been in use for covid for months. Still no study complete by illustrious scientific researchers. It takes 10 days! Pathetic , inept, disgusting. Luckily there are many health professionals who are able to ethically study the treatment without leaving half their patients at risk in a blind study for "science". Many drugs are used "off label" and many drugs in use now have never been proven in a double blind study where people can die for science. If you have a question just ask. The guy in charge says the doctors are using it, the doctors say their using it, the patients say they're getting it, stocks are running low, countries are hoarding their suppIies, I don't know what to tell you. https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/23/804620/ India adopts use of Hydroxychloroquine for prevention of COVID19 in Health workers Hydroxy-chloroquine has been recommended as the use for preventive treatment of healthcare workers and individuals in close contact of coronavirus patients. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ingrahams-medicine-cabinet-effectiveness-hydroxychloroquine-032642054.html https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/ https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2020/03/29/hydroxychloroquine-help-is-on-the-way-n2565926 Doctors began prescribing off-label use and in doing so are replicating the clinical results in remarkable fashion. One doctor in Monroe, New York has treated in excess of 700 patients. As of this writing he’s lost zero patients to death, zero to intubation, and only two to hospitalization. Another doctor in New York City has treated in excess of 100 patients with zero deaths. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8148463/US-doctors-hoarding-drugs-tested-treating-coronavirus.html If nothing else get your double blind study done you useless researchers. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-15/hyped-malaria-pill-doesn-t-help-clear-coronavirus-in-study https://www.isac.world/news-and-publications/official-isac-statement https://newsroom.heart.org/news/caution-recommended-on-covid-19-treatment-with-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-for-patients-with-cardiovascular-disease-6797342 "The medical and research community are really taking the potential of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine seriously," Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Programme, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday. Currently, "there is no evidence from randomized control trials that it works and clinicians have also been cautioned to look out for side effects of the drug to ensure that first we do no harm," Ryan said. "We eagerly await the outcome of the trials that are underway." https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.07.20056424v1 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3080055/anti-malarial-treatment-hailed-trump-has-no-benefit-coronavirus https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/health/drug-hydroxychloroquine-french-study/index.html To summarize, unfortunately for Fox&Friends, the anecdotal evidence that they've been pushing doesn't make for good public health policy. The science that is emerging is painting an increasingly clear picture of a drug, that is completely ineffective as a prophylactic, largely ineffective as a therapeutic and has toxic side effects. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustbin Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dungass said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-15/hyped-malaria-pill-doesn-t-help-clear-coronavirus-in-study https://www.isac.world/news-and-publications/official-isac-statement https://newsroom.heart.org/news/caution-recommended-on-covid-19-treatment-with-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-for-patients-with-cardiovascular-disease-6797342 "The medical and research community are really taking the potential of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine seriously," Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Programme, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday. Currently, "there is no evidence from randomized control trials that it works and clinicians have also been cautioned to look out for side effects of the drug to ensure that first we do no harm," Ryan said. "We eagerly await the outcome of the trials that are underway." https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.07.20056424v1 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3080055/anti-malarial-treatment-hailed-trump-has-no-benefit-coronavirus https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/health/drug-hydroxychloroquine-french-study/index.html To summarize, unfortunately for Fox&Friends, the anecdotal evidence that they've been pushing doesn't make for good public health policy. The science that is emerging is painting an increasingly clear picture of a drug, that is completely ineffective as a prophylactic, largely ineffective as a therapeutic and has toxic side effects. I've only read your china science article so far, because it's recent. Here is an excerpt below. The part you liked was inconclusive and only included people on oxygen. The common drug for these more advanced cases is usually remdesivir anyway, I think, so that study is not of much interest. I thought you'd only like double blind studies? Why are you mentioning a fox and friends? I don't reference or watch that. Zhong Nanshan , a senior Chinese government scientist in Guangzhou, told local media that his team would soon publish a paper with positive results for chloroquine phosphate, another derivative drug in the chloroquine family. “The average time [with chloroquine phosphate treatment] for the virus to turn negative is four days, and the control group [without the treatment] is eight or nine days. This improvement of symptoms is very certain,” Zhong told state television on Tuesday. “It can be a very effective cure.” Edited April 15, 2020 by Dustbin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RUPERTKBD Posted April 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2020 Speaking of Faux, Kellyanne was a recent guest and made this mind-numbingly stupid point about Bone Spurs' WHO funding freeze: Quote "The President took decisive and immediate action at the end of January to shut down flights to China. That was criticized by the WHO. It was criticized by other people as xenophobic and racist and travel bans don't work. Well, this one sure did. We have every right to know. And every right to know because what's happened here in this global pandemic. But there's another reason, some of the scientists and doctors say that there could be other strains later on. This could come back in the fall in a limited way. This is Covid-19, not Covid-1, folks. You would think that people charged with the World Health Organization facts and figures would be on top of that. This is just a pause right now. So there is an investigation, examination to what happened. But people should know the facts." Ummm.....it's called COVID 19 because it was first identified in 2019, genius.... This is the problem with an administration full of science deniers..... 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungass Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ingrahams-medicine-cabinet-effectiveness-hydroxychloroquine-032642054.html Isn't that your link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustbin Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Dungass said: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ingrahams-medicine-cabinet-effectiveness-hydroxychloroquine-032642054.html Isn't that your link? I gave half a dozen links. This is an interview with a highly regarded physician. I was listening to him. Your point is that was on Fox News? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Speaking of Faux, Kellyanne was a recent guest and made this mind-numbingly stupid point about Bone Spurs' WHO funding freeze: Ummm.....it's called COVID 19 because it was first identified in 2019, genius.... This is the problem with an administration full of science deniers..... Duh...it's true cuz that's how I read it too!!! BTW...the Earth is flat and the sun revolves around the Earth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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