Coronavirus outbreak

[Tortorella's Rant]

For Vitamin D - $15 bucks buys you 180 capsules at 1000UI each. 

[aGENT]

3 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Yeah, i don't want to turn this thread into a naturopathic bash, we can start that thread elsewhere. But yeah. 

Unfortunately you can get anything from excellent care to complete sheisters and there's not really any way to know which until you see them. I've got a pretty damn good one who isn't anti 'modern' medicine, very proactive vs reactive (which I find modern medicine tends to be) about problems, doesn't push supplements etc and is FANTASTIC at acupuncture which does wonders for me personally.

 

He's a good doctor first, traditional practitioner second.

 

3 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

Grass fed stuff tastes so much better, we get our beef from the farm.

Same goes for milk without all the hormones and grass fed.

The problem for lot of people is cost vs. mass produced stuff.

This is another area that people need to demand better of our government. Big Agri is too deep in their pockets as it is and without people pushing back you get less healthy food subsidized, lacking laws/guidelines etc which is the opposite of what's best for people. This is where capitalism fails in regards to food, health care etc, as what's good for people is usually not what the market deems best (AKA cheapest/most profitable).

Edited May 10, 2020 by aGENT

[Wilbur]

3 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Unfortunately you can get anything from excellent care to complete sheisters and there's not really any way to know which until you see them. I've got a pretty damn good one who isn't anti 'modern' medicine, very proactive vs reactive (which I find modern medicine tends to be) about problems, doesn't push supplements etc and is FANTASTIC at acupuncture which does wonders for me personally.

 

He's a good doctor first, traditional practitioner second.

 

This is another area that people need to demand better of our government. Big Agri is too deep in their pockets as it is and without people pushing back you get less healthy food subsidized, lacking laws/guidelines etc which is the opposite of what's best for people. This is where capitalism fails in regards to food, health care etc, as what's good for people is usually not what the market deems best.

This.  Capitalism is a very good system in many ways, but when food companies can externalize costs such as negative health impacts to its customers and environmental damage, it will never be an even playing field.  Don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but something has to be figured out.

[stawns]

49 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

This.  Capitalism is a very good system in many ways, but when food companies can externalize costs such as negative health impacts to its customers and environmental damage, it will never be an even playing field.  Don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but something has to be figured out.

the economc model we have isn't capitalism, it's corporate socialism,imo.  The government isn't a business and shouldn't be there to take care of business/corporations.  The government exists to take care of the people.  

[JM_]

4 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

You sneaky bugger..

I was actually trying to be empathetic    there aren't many people who are in development jobs in Canada or are closely associated with it. It can be pretty annoying to hear people talk about development in Canada, particularly when they put it in opposition to other things unnecessarily. Like when Mulcair used to brag about no one in his family every having anything but a public service job and use that to slam industry people. I don't see the need to the conflict. 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Unfortunately you can get anything from excellent care to complete sheisters and there's not really any way to know which until you see them. I've got a pretty damn good one who isn't anti 'modern' medicine, very proactive vs reactive (which I find modern medicine tends to be) about problems, doesn't push supplements etc and is FANTASTIC at acupuncture which does wonders for me personally.

 

He's a good doctor first, traditional practitioner second.

We had one tell my mother in law that she definitely had "early Alzheimers" but he had supplements that would reverse it  criminal malpractice if you ask me on that one.

 

But if you can find one that helps you be proactive thats great. My issue isn't with any particular individual, more that theres no oversight when you get a quack. 

[aGENT]

18 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

We had one tell my mother in law that she definitely had "early Alzheimers" but he had supplements that would reverse it  criminal malpractice if you ask me on that one.

 

But if you can find one that helps you be proactive thats great. My issue isn't with any particular individual, more that theres no oversight when you get a quack. 

Agreed. And unfortunately, the quacks give the good ones a bad name.

 

There's nothing wrong with appropriately administered 'traditional' medicine and it can indeed be less invasive and more proactive for some things. Particularly chronic conditions in my experience.

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, Wilbur said:

This.  Capitalism is a very good system in many ways, but when food companies can externalize costs such as negative health impacts to its customers and environmental damage, it will never be an even playing field.  Don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but something has to be figured out.

I love this post so much I quoted it just so more people will hopefully read it 

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Agreed. And unfortunately, the quacks give the good ones a bad name.

 

There's nothing wrong with appropriately administered 'traditional' medicine and it can indeed be less invasive and more proactive for some things. Particularly chronic conditions in my experience.

thats true, some people do get relief for arthritis from certain plants, things like that for sure. I think any good GP would have you look at anything reasonable that brings you benefit with no harm. 

 

I really like the one we have, he's pretty pro-plant based diet but isn't pushy about it. 

[Tortorella's Rant]

 

[coastal.view]

On 5/8/2020 at 8:07 AM, High and Inside said:

What about all the other negative consequences of this virus due to lockdowns? Economic damage. Domestic abuse, mental health, starvation, child abuse, depression, suicide just to name a few. Yes I realize if you allow things to open freely you will have problems too as you mentioned there will be very small percentages of the younger population that is affected. No matter what route you take it’s a sad situation and we can’t just make this perfect for everyone. 
 

your right Sweden is around 30 percent right now versus neighbouring countries that are at like 2 percent. If there is a second wave it likely won’t affect Sweden as they have more built in immunity then a country like Norway. We won’t know until this is over what was truly the right strategy. One area in Sweden where they screwed up was in the care homes and you’ll notice I’ve never suggested that we expose anybody that’s vulnerable and asa society we should even more to help those people in this crisis. 
 

whatever route is taken it has to be sustainable. Already a lockdown is proving to be something that can’t be prolonged. Nothing has really changed since we closed down the country and now we’re reopening society because of outside pressure. Eventually we will be in  exactly the same spot we were in March but severely damaged from the lockdown consequences.

 

I respect your opinion and when it’s all

said and done will know what was right and what was wrong . have a good day. 

not sure there is a right way

the current approach is clearly impacted by the assumption that treatments and vaccines are coming soon

i do acknowledge that the outlook on these developments has been overly optimistic so far

there is one promising treatment/medication currently... others appear to be viable soon

 

but this approach could take the same course (and time) as successful treatment has taken for hiv

and a virus for which there is still not a vaccine (and it has been around for decades now)

it does seem more likely that some sort of compound medication regime will achieve success

but that clearly would take more time

no vaccine has been successfully developed for sars which hit in 2003

and this is a sars type virus

 

so right now the hope/faith of most seems to be that medicine and science is the answer

it may end up providing the strongest solutions

but the problem really is time

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by coastal.view

[nuckin_futz]

Coronavirus - Wuhan reports 5 five new COVID-19 cases, the highest since March 11

Mon 11 May 2020 01:36:13 GMT

 

 Wuhan was the epicentre of the outbreak in China, but has dropped out of the news as the situation improved.

• Today though, an uptick, five new locally transmitted COVID-19 cases, all in the same residential compound in the city.

In total China reported 17 new cases today (for May 10) - the highest since April 28.

In a bigger picture sense this indicates there is no room for complacency even in places where iot appears the outbreak is under control. 

 

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As expected some places where restrictions have been eased have seen a swift rise in infection.

 

South Korea  re-opened Night clubs and saw 50 new infections. Same type of stories out of Germany.

[CBH1926]

Morons of the world unite!

Quebec police investigating possible link between cell tower fires and 5G coronavirus conspiracy theories

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-5g-fires-quebec-1.5560570

 

 

[nuckin_futz]

Hong Kong man infected with a rat strain of hepatitis E in April

Mon 11 May 2020 00:44:12 GMT

 

The coronavirus health pandemic was, apparently,. first transmitted from a bat to a human.

Now it looks like there is a rat to human transmission of another disease. CNN report on a rat strain of the hepatitis E virus (HEV) being found in humans:

• 10 Hong Kong residents have tested positive with rat HEV
• most recent case a 61-year-old man tested positive on April 30
• "Based on the available epidemiological information, the source and the route of infection could not be determined," said Hong Kong's Centre for Health Protection (CHP) in a statement on April 30. The man is still in the hospital, and the CHP's investigation is ongoing.
• there might be hundreds more infected undiagnosed people out there

Oh dear …. that " source and the route of infection could not be determined" is a worry.

 

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Piss Off 2020.

[nuckin_futz]

1 minute ago, CBH1926 said:

Morons of the world unite!

 

[CBH1926]

1 minute ago, nuckin_futz said:

Those 5g towers better have some protection!

[canuck73_3]

On 5/7/2020 at 7:12 PM, The 5th Line said:

@Cerridwen @RUPERTKBD @Me_ @canuck73_3

 

You all supported this fellows post ^ 

 

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=229772

 

Do you think when I recommend vitamins, I'm telling everyone that they don't need to live a healthy lifestyle as long as they have a bottle of pills beside them? There is plenty of evidence that supplements along with a healthy lifestyle can help fight off infectious diseases.  

 

https://www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2020/04/23/Public-Health-England-extends-Vitamin-D-supplement-advice-during-lockdown

 

But people already know enough about health and vitamin D.  Right?   Well, less than 31% of Brits are aware that Vitamin D supplementation is recommended in the wintertime.  

 

https://www.dairynutrition.ca/nutrients-in-milk-products/vitamin-d/vitamin-d-status-of-canadians-results-from-the-canadian-health-measures-survey

 

These dairynutrition surveys are from 2013

 

31% of Canadians are insufficient in vitamin D/  10% of those 31% are deficient.  So approximately 15 million people in Canada are not getting enough Vitamin D and 5 of those 15 million are deficient

 

Now I'll tell you what Vitamin D doesn't do... It doesn't create large profit for big pharma.

Living a healthy lifestyle is good for you. Shocking. 
 

I take Vitamin D supplements in the long winter months. Among other healthy lifestyle choices.

 

Literally no one is saying don't just hide inside and not boost your immunity. We’re simply stating to be cautious about how you interact with the public until this passes or a vaccine is created. 
 

[Me_]

2 hours ago, The 5th Line said:

Okkaayyy?  Why is this relevant?  Who said not to be cautious in public if you have vit D?  

 

And what's with the Healthy Lifestyle comment?   I didn't make a blanket statement about  a "healthy lifestyle" being good for you  I'm talking about Vit D supplements along with a healthy lifestyle may help fight off covid...?   Cause that's what the data is showing... You know, science.  

 

You take Vit D supps?  Good for you, your levels are probably fine but you should get them checked anyways. 

 

 

Alright I definitely want an answer to this question:

 

There's approximately 12 million people in Canada who are insufficient in Vit D.  What would you say to them all right now if you could?  

Did you hoard up a massive load of Vitamin D like toilet paper and now you’re trying to get rid of your stash?

 

Here are other subjects of interest besides vitamin D.

 

Vitamin A

Vitamin B1

Vitamin B2

Vitamin B3

Vitamin B5

Vitamin B6

Vitamin B7

Vitamin B9

Vitamin B12

Vitamin C

Vitamin E

Vitamin K

 

Major Minerals

Calcium

Chloride

Magnesium

Phosphorus

Potassium

Sodium

Sulphur

 

Trace minerals

Chromium

Copper

Fluoride

Iodine

Iron

Manganese

Molybdenum 

Selenium

Zinc

 

I pitty the fool that decides to hoard Chromium but whatever...
 

State Vitamin D stuff, people don’t react the way you want, go after them, post more Vitamin D stuff, people still don’t react the way you want, go after them more, post more Vitamin D stuff, people still don’t react the way you want,  go after them specifically, so post more Vitamin D stuff, nope, people still don’t react the way you want, so then... post more Vitamin D...

Because honestly, I’m overdosing on Vitamin D just by reading your posts. 

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by Me_

[Me_]

1 minute ago, The 5th Line said:

Really?  Do they all have studies conducted on them showing overwhelming correlation in regards to covid-19 survival/death rates?  No, they don't.  

 

Hey, at least you tried.  

 

 

No they are all essential to a balanced life.

 

[Me_]

Just now, The 5th Line said:

Sorry I thought I was in the Covid-19 thread not the balanced life thread 

Yeah we got what your saying last week. 
 

Verrrrrrry redundant. That’s the part you’re not getting.