[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Ottawa Senators | March 17, 2021 | 4 p.m. PT | SNP

[bishopshodan]

I think what is important is that we keep GDT/PGT's as bitter as possible despite winning a bunch.

 

Consistency is the key. 

[kingofsurrey]

12 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

Rangers had no coaches. Covid protocol

Canucks should try a few games without coaches....  could be the way forward for our club.

 

Men Without Coaches....

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by kingofsurrey

[Kenny Blankenship]

32 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I think what is important is that we keep GDT/PGT's as bitter as possible despite winning a bunch.

 

Consistency is the key. 

I doubt there’s too many other fanbases that complain about winning as much as we do

[Gawdzukes]

1 hour ago, Boudrias said:

As young as the core is there are vets on this team. With that said this group is not playoff quality. As you rightfully pointed out the number of quality scoring chances given up is outrageous. Less than 3 minutes left in a tie game on they try a breakout pass cross ice instead of up the boards. While better than last game the intercepts in the neutral zone was high.

 

Demko saves them again and a inexperienced Sens team struggles with execution. That is the only reason the Canucks got 2 points.

 

Glad to see Motter back he was his old self. Solid game. 

This absolutely drives me crazy. I was watching a lot of team interviews and I caught one of Greener. He basically said the players are being taught that there is a right time to free wheel/keep possession in your own zone and try to create plays and there are times when you need to manage the game and make a safe play (dump it out). He basically said our players need to get better there, especially pointed out Hughes. So this whole the defence sucks and it's all on the coaching is not true. The players themselves are just too inexperienced, careless (Miller), or caught in the middle to execute properly, and that's what I see continually in our own end.

Edited March 18, 2021 by Gawdzukes

[yes we can nucks]

5 minutes ago, Kenny Blankenship said:

I doubt there’s too many other fanbases that complain about winning as much as we do

'It's not the winning. It's the WAY we are winning.' 

[48MPHSlapShot]

10 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Looks like they're arriving.  Wonder  when they snuck their media interviews in?   I'm guessing from Montreal.

[bishopshodan]

Pretty impressive that our squad was able to beat Ott in every game this series without letting the Sens hold a lead once.

 

And yes, Demko is part of our squad. 

[JM_]

45 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I think what is important is that we keep GDT/PGT's as bitter as possible despite winning a bunch.

 

Consistency is the key. 

don't you know we're missing out on picks by winning? sheesh. 

[bishopshodan]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

don't you know we're missing out on picks by winning? sheesh. 

True, and it is soo annoying that we get to watch our young goalie set up and turn into a star while our top scorer is sidelined. 

[JM_]

1 minute ago, bishopshodan said:

Pretty impressive that our squad was able to beat Ott in every game this series without letting the Sens hold a lead once.

 

And yes, Demko is part of our squad. 

the schedule gets very interesting after this weekend. No more MTL, 4 more against OTT, and a &^@# ton against Cowgary and EDM.  Anything can happen in that bizarre schedule. 

 

I feel like the Canucks are down 3-2 in a 7 game series, they really have to win the next two. 

[JM_]

1 minute ago, bishopshodan said:

True, and it is soo annoying that we get to watch our young goalie set up and turn into a star while our top scorer is sidelined. 

yeah what a drag, I mean all we did was draft him, develop him properly, and now he's turning into a genuine starter in front of our eyes. What a disappointment. 

[Kenny Blankenship]

4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

True, and it is soo annoying that we get to watch our young goalie set up and turn into a star while our top scorer is sidelined. 

Ugh I hate when we have a goalie who has the ability to steal games, why would we want that. 

[EternalCanuckFan]

6 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

This absolutely drives me crazy. I was watching a lot of team interviews and I caught one of Greener. He basically said the players are being taught that there is a right time to free wheel in your own zone and try to create plays and there are times when you need to manage the game and make a safe play. He basically said our players need to get better there, especially pointed out Hughes. So this whole the defence sucks is all on the coaching is not true. The players themselves are just to inexperienced or careless (Miller) to execute properly as well, and that's what I see continually in our own end.

This is how I largely see team performance this year though I don't think coaches are totally off the hook because apart from developing systems, they also need to communicate with the players to try and maximize the performance of those players within their systems.  For example, love him or hate him, Jacques Lemaire's systems required buy-in from players who would likely have been more free wheeling had he allowed them to.  Some players thrived with Lemaire while others just couldn't excel in that kind of system.  Another current example would be Trotz who, with all due respect to the players on NYI, has squeezed out a great deal of success from that roster which IMHO would not ordinarily be expected to be as successful as they have been.

 

If there's one issue I would take directly with Green's comments is that asking players to get better on the ice within the system is not an untrue conclusion to arrive at, but if multiple players are not executing the system well for long stretches of time, then I think it's fair to question whether the system needs tweaking or an overhaul.  We can't necessarily expect players to play at an aspirational level of play at all times.  It would presumably be more effective to have a system that mitigates against players' weaknesses.

[JustRich]

5 minutes ago, Kenny Blankenship said:

Ugh I hate when we have a goalie who has the ability to steal games, why would we want that. 

Right?  Doesn't sit well with my spoiled entitled ass either.  I can't believe he's helped skyrocket us from the basement to mediocrity.

[kanucks25]

Gotta take the good with the bad.

 

Comes with having a passionate fan base. At least people care, it's better than apathy. 

 

I think the organization, especially Aquilini, would take our fans over say, the average fan in Florida that probably can't tell the difference between an icing and an offside.

 

I know his bank account prefers us, too.

[nux_win]

31 minutes ago, Kenny Blankenship said:

I doubt there’s too many other fanbases that complain about winning as much as we do

We Canucks fans haven't had much practice at it over the years.  We'll figure out winning one of these years.  GCG!

[Gawdzukes]

15 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

True, and it is soo annoying that we get to watch our young goalie set up and turn into a star while our top scorer is sidelined. 

I'm pretty upset they didn't carry the blue seat coverings all the way up to the second tier back at Rogers. 

 

Was that JB's call?

[Gawdzukes]

14 minutes ago, EternalCanuckFan said:

This is how I largely see team performance this year though I don't think coaches are totally off the hook because apart from developing systems, they also need to communicate with the players to try and maximize the performance of those players within their systems.  For example, love him or hate him, Jacques Lemaire's systems required buy-in from players who would likely have been more free wheeling had he allowed them to.  Some players thrived with Lemaire while others just couldn't excel in that kind of system.  Another current example would be Trotz who, with all due respect to the players on NYI, has squeezed out a great deal of success from that roster which IMHO would not ordinarily be expected to be as successful as they have been.

 

If there's one issue I would take directly with Green's comments is that asking players to get better on the ice within the system is not an untrue conclusion to arrive at, but if multiple players are not executing the system well for long stretches of time, then I think it's fair to question whether the system needs tweaking or an overhaul.  We can't necessarily expect players to play at an aspirational level of play at all times.  It would presumably be more effective to have a system that mitigates against players' weaknesses.

Great post. I agree completely. I think he's trying to let them grow through making mistakes as well in hopes that it pays off in the future with them being more complete players. It might be a bit of sacrificing wins right now in terms of playing the game the right way, and not bailing out sooner. But you like you said maybe it has to adapt to the personnel if it's not working. 

 

With regards to the system I'm not going to argue that. It's not my favorite system (collapsing) and it's not sexy but again the players aren't executing well there either. In that system you don't really collapse as much as you cover the point men, the middle of the net and keep in-between their players and the net. However you can't just sit there either you're supposed to be out on the dmen right in their face so they can't just toss the puck around. We let them do this because we're tired most of the time. Eventually that draws Edler and Myers out of position and then we're all gassed. That's on the players.

 

I'm not saying it's not Green's fault at all, just that all these bandwagon posters jumping on the 'it's all Green's fault train', aren't being very analytical or honest at all in their assessment.

[RomanP]

8 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

The fact that Hollywood could in the span of a decade and a half destroy two franchises is just mind boggling to me. 

(Star Wars and Star Trek)

Maybe even 3 with Battlestar Paranoia. 

This is pretty subjective :-)

[-DLC-]

2 hours ago, nux_win said:

We Canucks fans haven't had much practice at it over the years.  We'll figure out winning one of these years.  GCG!

This isn't really true though.  People tend to just put their own narrative on this if it isn't factual (so don't buy in!).  We're not as bad as people have made us out to be...their suffering is exaggerated and gets louder in a strength in numbers way.  They lose perspective of how hard this deal really is.

 

Have we waited longer than anyone?  Sure.  But not "this" team and that's what gets thrown into the blender at times.  They own only the past few years, not all of it.

 

In the past 20 years (Canadian teams):

Canucks:

Made the playoffs:  13/20

Won one round: 5/13

Won three rounds:  1/13

(Lost in first round:  6/13)

Last year:  Qualified/second round exit

 

Maple Leafs:

Made the playoffs:  8/20

Won one round: 2/8

Won two rounds: 1/8

(Lost in first round:  5/8)

Last year:  DNQ

 

Oilers:

Made the playoffs:  4/20

Won one round:  1/4

Won three rounds:  1/4

(Lost in first round:  2/4)

Last year:  DNQ

 

Flames:

Made the playoffs:  10/20 

Won one round:  1/9

Won three rounds:  1/9

(Lost in first round:  7/9)

Last year:  Qualified/first round exit

 

Jets:  (10 year history)

Made the playoffs:  5/10

Won one round:  1/10

Won two rounds:  1/10

Won three rounds: 1/10

(Lost in first round:  2/10)

Last year:  DNQ

 

Canadiens: 

Made the playoffs:  13/20

Won one round:  4/20

Won two rounds:  2/20

(Lost in first round:  6/20)

Last year:  Qualified/first round exit

 

Senators:  

Made the playoffs:  12/20

Won one round:  3/20

Won two rounds:  2/20

Won three rounds:  1/20

(Lost in first round:  6/20)

Last year:  Did not make qualifying round
 

 

It's about keeping perspective.  Sure, half of this is accredited to the Sedin era and the success of the team 10 years ago but keep in mind that it's a transition, not a "jump" to replacing that team and starting over.  It doesn't happen overnight.  They thought it could be a retool and then rethought that.  So sure, we've missed most of the past 7 but do we look better than the lineup in 2014 in relation to promising young talent?

 

This is NOT to argue that some changes likely could help the current state and that we aren't "convincing" quite yet.  But is part of that could be attributed to the circumstances and not being able to really judge accurately during the schedule?  Somewhat.  The picture isn't clear because the schedule isn't normal and people who ignore than really aren't willing to accept any argument that goes against their own.

 

I feel like people who act like we're long suffering don't understand what that really can look like (check our earlier history when, over the first 20 years, we never made it past the first round except in '82).

 

Immediate gratification age.  Scream and be heard that "I want it all and I want it now".

 

It's no secret that our goaltending has been critical in any success at all.  Not sure most teams don't have "something" that they count on.  Not many teams have it ALL in place because it's a moving parts deal and everyone is after the same ones.  We're not as bad as people make us out to be - some patience is required as we adapt to:  COVID, key players leaving/new players coming on board.  Some of the games we lost were ones we easily could've won had those goalpost shots been 2 mm's left or right.  Then the lack of confidence started to factor in.

 

The fire Benning/Green/everyone brigade often just barrels along like that in their tank.  But I feel like we owe it to the Peteys/Quinns/Brocks/Hogs/Demkos and Bos to exercise a bit of patience.  We celebrate wins because they get to.  That matters...we don't want them demotivated and broken down as they own some of the "failures"...it's important to also give some credit for wins, even if they're not pretty.  They hung in there.