RWMc1 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 45 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: didn't all he say was teams were talking to Jakes agent? they may just want to know the details of whats going on and get him for free or wait until he's bought out and low ball him. He said that he gave other teams permission to talk to his agent. He also said that it was not for the purpose of a buyout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: He said that he gave other teams permission to talk to his agent. He also said that it was not for the purpose of a buyout. ah thx. I didn't catch that part. A trade would be great. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Devron Posted July 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, awalk said: Has anyone mentioned that hindsight is 20/20 yet? Has anyone ever considered that Holtby might hold an important mentorship to Demko. Ya know Stanley cup and all. I’m guessing probably not. Easy for us to stare at numbers with our asses glued to the couch. Especially after the fact 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Matt Murray is a two time Stanley Cup champion. Joey Daccord is almost 25 years old and has played a total of 9 NHL games with an 0.897 SV%. Let's not get carried away here. Matt Murray has been garbo for 2 seasons and was the main factor in the Sens being awful last season. Goalies also typically develop at that rate unless they're prodigies and high draft picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 28 minutes ago, MikeyD said: QUOTE me on this: Joey Daccord will be an NHL goaltender and a decent one at that. The rest though you're right about lol. Daccord is a very technically solid goaltender that Ottawa was stupid to let go. He's their best goaltender for christ sakes! Over Gustavsson? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, MikeyD said: Matt Murray has been garbo for 2 seasons and was the main factor in the Sens being awful last season. Goalies also typically develop at that rate unless they're prodigies and high draft picks. Joey played 2 games in the AHL last year with a SV% of 0.867. 9 games with Ottawa at 0.897. He will really need to speed up his development if he wants to be a starting goalie in the NHL before he hits 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50 Years and Counting Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Provost said: Actually that is absolutely not true. He gambled that Demko wasn’t ready so signed the most expensive back up possible to insulate him for a couple of years until he was ready. We could have signed a $1-2 million back up and saved millions in cap space. JB just needs more time to figure out how the cap works....... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dazzle Posted July 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Provost said: Actually that is absolutely not true. He gambled that Demko wasn’t ready so signed the most expensive back up possible to insulate him for a couple of years until he was ready. We could have signed a $1-2 million back up and saved millions in cap space. That's not the definition of a gamble if you're taking steps to ensure security. I think signing a veteran goalie was a necessity, in case that Demko was a one-off success story. Also, it wouldn't have been good to overwhelm him with starter duties, in case he needed more development time. Clearly signing Holtby done out of an abundance of caution. Arguably, he was signed for too much. Yet the philosophy of insulating Demko was not wrong. 2 4 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Just now, Dazzle said: That's not the definition of a gamble if you're taking steps to ensure security. I think signing a veteran goalie was a necessity, in case that Demko was a one-off success story. Also, it wouldn't have been good to overwhelm him with starter duties, in case he needed more development time. Clearly signing Holtby done out of an abundance of caution. Arguably, he was signed for too much. Yet the philosophy of insulating Demko was not wrong. I think it was also good for Demko mentally knowing that the load was not all on him. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Provost said: Actually that is absolutely not true. He gambled that Demko wasn’t ready so signed the most expensive back up possible to insulate him for a couple of years until he was ready. We could have signed a $1-2 million back up and saved millions in cap space. That's the opposite of gambling. After we signed Holtby, these were the goalies that signed 1-way contracts that off-season (that we could've picked from). Anton Forsberg 700,000 (coming off a season where he only managed 3 starts in the NHL) Corey Crawford 3.9 mil Thomas Greiss 3.6 mil Mike Smith 1.5 mil Aaron Dell 800,00 (he posted a GAA higher then 4.1 and only managed to get 7 starts) Jake Allen 2.9 mil Alex Georgiev 2.5 mil Linus Ullmark 2.6 mil Provost you're not as bad as some other fans, but people treat this as if it was an EA Sports video game. First of all, just because you want a player doesn't mean that he will sign with you and not with one of the other 30 teams. Second of all, players cost more then people think. Everyone cherry picks one player that's a good value and conveniently ignores 10 other players. The other issue was the context of last off-season. Demko had never been a starter. Demko also has a really bad history of injuries that take him out of the lineup for months at a time (concussions and hip). I didn't feel comfortable letting go of Marky, and I totally get why Benning got the safest backup that could take over as a starter if he needed to. That safety net ended up costing us 2 million more then one of the other guys. I get that the two million extra gets tacked onto Luongo recapture, Loui's albatross and Roussell's injury riddled waste of cap. I can't wait to get all this cap space freed up next year, but it's not a reason to bash Benning at every opportunity like we're seeing with a segment of our fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Provost said: Actually that is absolutely not true. He gambled that Demko wasn’t ready so signed the most expensive back up possible to insulate him for a couple of years until he was ready. We could have signed a $1-2 million back up and saved millions in cap space. Who? Other options like Greiss/Talbot sign for 3M. Aaron Dell? What would the reaction have been to a Dell/Demko tandem, especially when Demko struggled early on. Edited July 23, 2021 by Smashian Kassian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 37 minutes ago, Dazzle said: That's not the definition of a gamble if you're taking steps to ensure security. I think signing a veteran goalie was a necessity, in case that Demko was a one-off success story. Also, it wouldn't have been good to overwhelm him with starter duties, in case he needed more development time. Clearly signing Holtby done out of an abundance of caution. Arguably, he was signed for too much. Yet the philosophy of insulating Demko was not wrong. Essentially it was investing in Demko, as they prioritized his development in taking this step, rather than throwing him to the wolves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted July 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2021 53 minutes ago, Dazzle said: That's not the definition of a gamble if you're taking steps to ensure security. I think signing a veteran goalie was a necessity, in case that Demko was a one-off success story. Also, it wouldn't have been good to overwhelm him with starter duties, in case he needed more development time. Clearly signing Holtby done out of an abundance of caution. Arguably, he was signed for too much. Yet the philosophy of insulating Demko was not wrong. This is an excellent point. Benning was trying to shelter Demko as much as possible and not just throw him to the wolves, with a $750k backup as insurance. Perhaps we could have gotten someone for less than $4.3 million, but the concept of bringing in a veteran Stanley Cup winner was a good one. I think it really helped Demko as Holtby was able to play in 21 games and give alot of support to Demko. Holtby had his moments too, he played well in stretches. Our D sucked last year so both Holtby and Demko were left high and dry on many occasions. With Brad Shaw on board and Ian Clark back for another few years I think Demko has the chance to become something special, a Vezina trophy candidate for sure. I think he can win the Vezina one day. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KoreanHockeyFan Posted July 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Provost said: Actually that is absolutely not true. He gambled that Demko wasn’t ready so signed the most expensive back up possible to insulate him for a couple of years until he was ready. We could have signed a $1-2 million back up and saved millions in cap space. Apparently "millions in cap space" equates to $2.3 million now. I've been a little more active on CDC recently because all the news on trade rumours and signings are nicely consolidated into one place here and somehow is as fast as Twitter, but all of this ticky tack whining all over the boards is making me want to just resort to going back on Twitter to get my hockey news. So far, I've seen people whine about Dickinson, Benning not signing Larsson even though he was picked by Seattle, Benning not giving up free picks to offload Eriksson's remaining one year, people retroactively complaining about last year's trade for Schmidt and now this. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 4:28 PM, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: And then we sign the bald guy with the Lays chips bag for another 3 years? On 7/21/2021 at 4:38 PM, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: I mean, it could go further - like him announcing the hiring of Iron Mike as his capologist... Too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 7 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: JET BLACK JIMMMM You know that sh*ts getting done when Jim decides to dye the hair haha. That's Jet Black Stare 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Sutter is not coming back guaranteed He's gonna be a Calgary Canuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: He's gonna be a Calgary Canuck I’m confused, I thought our farm team was in Abbotsford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, VancouverHabitant said: That's the opposite of gambling. After we signed Holtby, these were the goalies that signed 1-way contracts that off-season (that we could've picked from). Anton Forsberg 700,000 (coming off a season where he only managed 3 starts in the NHL) Corey Crawford 3.9 mil Thomas Greiss 3.6 mil Mike Smith 1.5 mil Aaron Dell 800,00 (he posted a GAA higher then 4.1 and only managed to get 7 starts) Jake Allen 2.9 mil Alex Georgiev 2.5 mil Linus Ullmark 2.6 mil Provost you're not as bad as some other fans, but people treat this as if it was an EA Sports video game. First of all, just because you want a player doesn't mean that he will sign with you and not with one of the other 30 teams. Second of all, players cost more then people think. Everyone cherry picks one player that's a good value and conveniently ignores 10 other players. The other issue was the context of last off-season. Demko had never been a starter. Demko also has a really bad history of injuries that take him out of the lineup for months at a time (concussions and hip). I didn't feel comfortable letting go of Marky, and I totally get why Benning got the safest backup that could take over as a starter if he needed to. That safety net ended up costing us 2 million more then one of the other guys. I get that the two million extra gets tacked onto Luongo recapture, Loui's albatross and Roussell's injury riddled waste of cap. I can't wait to get all this cap space freed up next year, but it's not a reason to bash Benning at every opportunity like we're seeing with a segment of our fanbase. "Hey, Jake Allen. Get in the car." "No". regards, G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlwaysACanuckFan Posted July 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2021 4 hours ago, kilgore said: Fans patience can't do much. Its more about if Lord Maximus Farquaad.....er Aquilini.....has patience. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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