HorvatToBaertschi Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 3 hours ago, AllWeatherFan said: Also, training camp began a lot earlier in 2017 off season started much later as well this year though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Nathan got off in his fifth season. Before that he wasn’t close to Peteys ppg. So it’s probably better to watch Petey fourth and fifth season before you drive Petey to the airport MacKinnon's the closest thing I've seen to a prime Bure. I love Petey, but he's not on that level yet. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 4 hours ago, AllWeatherFan said: To me, if Pettersson misses ANY amount of training camp holding out for more $$ his comments about wanting to play for a "winning team" lose all credibility. I really hope we're not going the Marner route with all this... Yep… I am annoyed that it hasn’t been done yet and am pretty confident that Benning isn’t lowballing him. Dhaliwal’s sources are pretty much all agents so he is probably being fed the “ask” from their camp which is the Marner comparable. if it is just his agent trying to get him overpaid because “he is important to the team”… then screw em. Trade him to the Sens for Tkachuk and a blue chip prospect… or Eichel, whatever. Benning has to become a GM that agents don’t think they can walk all over. You don’t see them playing chicken with Lamoriello. The agent represents both and has zero leverage with Hughes. Tell the agent that Hughes can’t be signed until Petterson’s number is known because of offer sheets. If they want to hold it up, then the moment the players miss day 1 of training camp… any offer goes down or the players just have to sit out the season. Players who miss training camp mostly have crappy years… why should we pay a premium for that result. If Petterson wants to sign an offer sheet which gives us four 1st round picks…. Fly at it. They are really good players right now, not elite guys near the top of the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFerguson Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 43 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: off season started much later as well this year though My point was that just saying the date Bo and Brock signed on doesn't represent where we were in relation to the start of training camp. This was just to provide that context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted September 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, AllWeatherFan said: My point was that just saying the date Bo and Brock signed on doesn't represent where we were in relation to the start of training camp. This was just to provide that context. Boeser also had a pretty good excuse for not concentrating on the negotiations. 3 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, Provost said: Yep… I am annoyed that it hasn’t been done yet and am pretty confident that Benning isn’t lowballing him. Dhaliwal’s sources are pretty much all agents so he is probably being fed the “ask” from their camp which is the Marner comparable. if it is just his agent trying to get him overpaid because “he is important to the team”… then screw em. Trade him to the Sens for Tkachuk and a blue chip prospect… or Eichel, whatever. Benning has to become a GM that agents don’t think they can walk all over. You don’t see them playing chicken with Lamoriello. The agent represents both and has zero leverage with Hughes. Tell the agent that Hughes can’t be signed until Petterson’s number is known because of offer sheets. If they want to hold it up, then the moment the players miss day 1 of training camp… any offer goes down or the players just have to sit out the season. Players who miss training camp mostly have crappy years… why should we pay a premium for that result. If Petterson wants to sign an offer sheet which gives us four 1st round picks…. Fly at it. They are really good players right now, not elite guys near the top of the league. lmao if u miss training camp we will lowball the offer or you sit out the season? lmao good luck negotiating with all the future players. why would anyone give you 4 1st rounder for pettersson? all he has to do is sign any offer sheet above 9mil and u get 2 1st 2nd and a 3rd good luck getting any value back in terms of players anywhere close. oh and after trading away all ur 1st rounder for the last 2 season. why are we telling the fans? we are going back to rebuild again by trading away pettersson and hughes? why would ottawa give u tkachuk and a blue chip prospect for pettersson? they are close to getting tkachuk re-signed and they know pettersson 100% wouldn't stay with them long term. and u want to trade for a player that's injury prone and possible neck injury that haven't even had surgery yet that might affect him for the rest of his career not to mention his 10mil cap hit? thank god u ain't the gm. and u are confident benning isn't lowballing him? well of course coz u think 5-6mil is a fair offer for them compared to their peers who are earning signifcantly more for less production.. Pettersson missed 7 more games than Eichel in the first 3 season but somehow Eichel is elite and worth 10mil while pettersson is trash and is no where close to being elite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Alflives said: We have zero chance at the Olympic Gold with the “look at me mommy” players of McDavid and Mackinnon eating up big minutes. There’s a reason why those two are playoff losers. Petey did more in his one (very young) playoff performance than those two ever did. Or their teams both have $&!# Goaltending and or Defence... Get real if you think McCoiler and Mack are NOT good players, either would EASILY be the BEST player on the Canucks...Come on Alf, HFBoards has ruined you somewhat...but glad your back regardess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Moose Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: Or their teams both have $&!# Goaltending and or Defence... Get real if you think McCoiler and Mack are NOT good players, either would EASILY be the BEST player on the Canucks...Come on Alf, HFBoards has ruined you somewhat...but glad your back regardess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 38 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: lmao if u miss training camp we will lowball the offer or you sit out the season? lmao good luck negotiating with all the future players. You set a standard of not bending over for anyone. If these guys are willing to handicap the team with unreasonable demands, then they can enjoy making $0. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, King Heffy said: You set a standard of not bending over for anyone. If these guys are willing to handicap the team with unreasonable demands, then they can enjoy making $0. lol so which team in the NHL sat their star rfa for the entire season due to contract?? prolly like 1 or 2 in the history? lol they'll enjoy making 0 for 1 year and make it back later while your gm will be out of a job in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 5 hours ago, DeNiro said: Barzal and Aho are the comparables. Marner would have to be considered an outlier. Friedman speculates that Pettersson could be waiting on Kaprizov. The Wild's latest offer is 9M x 5 years and that's still not enough dollars per Russo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, mll said: Friedman speculates that Pettersson could be waiting on Kaprizov. The Wild's latest offer is 9M x 5 years and that's still not enough dollars per Russo. If true, this could be the hang up right there. All these speculations and delays are frustrating. This side of the business can easily be rectified by forced arbitration set well before training camp. Avoids animosity between player and management and gets folks on both side to blame the final decision on a neutral party so no one feels like they “caved in”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, grandmaster said: If true, this could be the hang up right there. All these speculations and delays are frustrating. This side of the business can easily be rectified by forced arbitration set well before training camp. Avoids animosity between player and management and gets folks on both side to blame the final decision on a neutral party so no one feels like they “caved in”. Arbitration is a brutal process. The team goes in and makes a case for why the player isn’t worth what he thinks he is. It’s generally the beginning of the end for the relationship. That’s one of the reasons very few cases actually make it to arbitration each year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 6 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol so which team in the NHL sat their star rfa for the entire season due to contract?? prolly like 1 or 2 in the history? lol they'll enjoy making 0 for 1 year and make it back later while your gm will be out of a job in the league Nedved. Wanted a massive pay day after one good but not exceptional season. Quin had the balls - does JB? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 6 hours ago, mll said: Friedman speculates that Pettersson could be waiting on Kaprizov. The Wild's latest offer is 9M x 5 years and that's still not enough dollars per Russo. Too much for one season. Totally different given the age and they don't even play the same position. EP doesn't need to "wait" for one player at this point, his best comps already got their contracts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, IBatch said: Too much for one season. Totally different given the age and they don't even play the same position. EP doesn't need to "wait" for one player at this point, his best comps already got their contracts. What are his best comparables and where do you see EP's contract fitting into that group? (If you don't mind; not trying to be argumentative.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, IBatch said: Nedved. Wanted a massive pay day after one good but not exceptional season. Quin had the balls - does JB? exactly only couple in the history. are the canucks good enough without them for a full season? no. will JB be fired if they miss the post season again? it's pretty much a 100% yes given all the off season moves he made. 1 hour ago, IBatch said: Too much for one season. Totally different given the age and they don't even play the same position. EP doesn't need to "wait" for one player at this point, his best comps already got their contracts. i still say EP camp is pushing somewhere in the 7.5 x 3 years or 8 x 4 years and JB is trying to do 6.5x3 or 7.5 x 5 and EP's camp telling him to shove it up his *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, IBatch said: Too much for one season. Totally different given the age and they don't even play the same position. EP doesn't need to "wait" for one player at this point, his best comps already got their contracts. C is more valuable than wing. Seems rather normal for his side to want to wait and use Kaprizov as comparable. Both are players their team want to build around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, IBatch said: Too much for one season. Totally different given the age and they don't even play the same position. EP doesn't need to "wait" for one player at this point, his best comps already got their contracts. Yeah, I call horse $&!# on waiting for Kaprizov. They're barely direct comparables and one guy is clearly holding his team hostage. If that's the tactic Pettersson (his agent) wants to use to help building the 'winning team' he wants to be on, have fun being traded. Thankfully, I highly doubt Benning will cave to such demands (if they're even true). Edited September 14, 2021 by aGENT 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, IBatch said: Nedved. Wanted a massive pay day after one good but not exceptional season. Quin had the balls - does JB? I seem to recall him playing for Team Canada during this which helped not drive his trade value not too far down (keep him active/in game shape). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts