D-Money Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 8 hours ago, combover said: Greens lucky he never had a coach like himself when he was 23 he would never have gotten a chance. the interview where he said he can trust veterans says everything about why he fails. Green was the wrong guy to build a young team with he doesn’t like young players and never has. he trusts declining vets over young guys with far more upside. and it shows young guy make 1 mistake benched trusted veteran makes 100 mistakes keeps on playing. Sutter Rousell… Looking forward to shaw replacing him maybe even before November. Seriously? The guy who coached/developed 3 consecutive Calder finalists doesn’t like young players? A little too much stupid going around in this thread… 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, D-Money said: Seriously? The guy who coached/developed 3 consecutive Calder finalists doesn’t like young players? A little too much stupid going around in this thread… No, it’s just about the normal amount of stupid actually …. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, D-Money said: Seriously? The guy who coached/developed 3 consecutive Calder finalists doesn’t like young players? A little too much stupid going around in this thread… Coached and developed? Hughes and Pettersson were top 10 picks. Both came into the NHL and made noise immediately. Lol. He hardly "developed" them seeing as their post draft years were in the NCAA and SHL respectively. And even Boeser made immediate noise in the NHL. Giving Green any sort of developing credit for their success is a massive stretch. I won't call it stupid, despite thinking it kind of is. I won't say he dislikes young players, but it certainly seems like a case of preferring safe vets. Two young players, young-ish in the case of Big Mac, got claimed on waivers. How many teams had any legitimate interest in Chiasson? Come on. It looks bad. We'll see if they do anything on another team. But for now, I don't like it at all. I'd rather potentially fail with our drafted and developed kids than wallow in mediocrity with some old washed vet. But maybe that's just me getting attached to what could be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I would have preferred to keep Mac as a spare forward but not a huge loss. Gadj on the other hand wtf. Really should have made the team over Chiasson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 5 hours ago, D-Money said: Seriously? The guy who coached/developed 3 consecutive Calder finalists doesn’t like young players? A little too much stupid going around in this thread… Well, it depends on how he coached the Calder finalists. Did he push AHL cannon fodder like Reid Boucher to top positions like PP and first line or did he try develop the youngsters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 18 hours ago, Rindiculous said: Highmore was head and shoulders above Mac this preseason. What this means with all these claims off of us is we've got a huge load of depth. A load of 4th line, bottom-6 depth.... regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Hope he plays Friday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 6 hours ago, N7Nucks said: Coached and developed? Hughes and Pettersson were top 10 picks. Both came into the NHL and made noise immediately. Lol. He hardly "developed" them seeing as their post draft years were in the NCAA and SHL respectively. And even Boeser made immediate noise in the NHL. Giving Green any sort of developing credit for their success is a massive stretch. I won't call it stupid, despite thinking it kind of is. I won't say he dislikes young players, but it certainly seems like a case of preferring safe vets. Two young players, young-ish in the case of Big Mac, got claimed on waivers. How many teams had any legitimate interest in Chiasson? Come on. It looks bad. We'll see if they do anything on another team. But for now, I don't like it at all. I'd rather potentially fail with our drafted and developed kids than wallow in mediocrity with some old washed vet. But maybe that's just me getting attached to what could be. Green recognized young talent, and employed it very effectively - to a degree that made NHL history. And he made some pretty big swings with them, such as converting Pettersson back to C, even though he had spent his time in the SHL on the wing. He did the same last year with Hoglander, and now we also have Podkolzin and Rathbone as regulars. How many NHL teams have deployed MORE rookies, and still had success? Chiasson is a pretty good player. And there’s something about him that coaches love. He was given plum assignments in Calgary and Edmonton too, possibly to set an example with his efforts to practice and prepare for games. There’s more going on behind the scenes than any of us realize. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, D-Money said: Green recognized young talent, and employed it very effectively - to a degree that made NHL history. And he made some pretty big swings with them, such as converting Pettersson back to C, even though he had spent his time in the SHL on the wing. He did the same last year with Hoglander, and now we also have Podkolzin and Rathbone as regulars. How many NHL teams have deployed MORE rookies, and still had success? Chiasson is a pretty good player. And there’s something about him that coaches love. He was given plum assignments in Calgary and Edmonton too, possibly to set an example with his efforts to practice and prepare for games. There’s more going on behind the scenes than any of us realize. ...and on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 Zack MacEwen is still waiting for his US work visa before he can join the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, johngould21 said: ...and on the ice. He is big, right shot and goes to the net. These are things lacking from almost every team. Obviously there are some deficits in his game or he wouldn't have to keep coming on PTOs but as a depth player/PP specialist that will provide screen and traffic in front of net he has value. On a league minimum deal then am good with it, if he falls off, Abbotsford is close by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelownaCanucksFan Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 4 hours ago, canucklehead44 said: I would have preferred to keep Mac as a spare forward but not a huge loss. Gadj on the other hand wtf. Really should have made the team over Chiasson Yea losing Mac doesn’t bother me, Gadj on the other hand was a head scratcher and obviously it was green behind it for some reason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancan2233 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 9 hours ago, N7Nucks said: Coached and developed? Hughes and Pettersson were top 10 picks. Both came into the NHL and made noise immediately. Lol. He hardly "developed" them seeing as their post draft years were in the NCAA and SHL respectively. And even Boeser made immediate noise in the NHL. Giving Green any sort of developing credit for their success is a massive stretch. I won't call it stupid, despite thinking it kind of is. I won't say he dislikes young players, but it certainly seems like a case of preferring safe vets. Two young players, young-ish in the case of Big Mac, got claimed on waivers. How many teams had any legitimate interest in Chiasson? Come on. It looks bad. We'll see if they do anything on another team. But for now, I don't like it at all. I'd rather potentially fail with our drafted and developed kids than wallow in mediocrity with some old washed vet. But maybe that's just me getting attached to what could be. So players stop developing once they get to the NHL? No coaching needed to help they reach their top potential. Good to know, why even have coaches then? Development does not stop once the players reaches the NHL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 11 hours ago, D-Money said: Seriously? The guy who coached/developed 3 consecutive Calder finalists doesn’t like young players? A little too much stupid going around in this thread… Lol all 3 of those guys were pretty well developed when they stepped into the lineup though and it had little to nothing to do with the Canucks. The real judging of how a coach develops young players is how they do with the non sure thing players. Oh that’s right, we have none developed by Green. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, vancan2233 said: So players stop developing once they get to the NHL? No coaching needed to help they reach their top potential. Good to know, why even have coaches then? Development does not stop once the players reaches the NHL! There also is such a thing as negative development. So how do you explain Hughes regressing badly last year in the area he needs the most coaching - playing defense - under Green and Baumgartner? EP is still pretty much the same player he was from day 1. Which was a pretty damn good player. Boeser has improved but it sure sounds like a lot of that was him changing his focus in the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 4 hours ago, D-Money said: Green recognized young talent, and employed it very effectively - to a degree that made NHL history. And he made some pretty big swings with them, such as converting Pettersson back to C, even though he had spent his time in the SHL on the wing. He did the same last year with Hoglander, and now we also have Podkolzin and Rathbone as regulars. How many NHL teams have deployed MORE rookies, and still had success? Chiasson is a pretty good player. And there’s something about him that coaches love. He was given plum assignments in Calgary and Edmonton too, possibly to set an example with his efforts to practice and prepare for games. There’s more going on behind the scenes than any of us realize. Ummm how much success has the team actually had again? That’s a low bar for judging the Canucks a success bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: He is big, right shot and goes to the net. These are things lacking from almost every team. Obviously there are some deficits in his game or he wouldn't have to keep coming on PTOs but as a depth player/PP specialist that will provide screen and traffic in front of net he has value. On a league minimum deal then am good with it, if he falls off, Abbotsford is close by. With OEL, JR, and QH hopefully these three can get them through the first wall, that part of the Canuck pp has been lacking since CE and the younger AE were able to do that. I believe the Canucks outshot the Coilers last night too, for the first time in many games, and putting pucks on net is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: There also is such a thing as negative development. So how do you explain Hughes regressing badly last year in the area he needs the most coaching - playing defense - under Green and Baumgartner? EP is still pretty much the same player he was from day 1. Which was a pretty damn good player. Boeser has improved but it sure sounds like a lot of that was him changing his focus in the off-season. During a season with no camp, almost no practices and extended absence because of COVID., the areas that need the most coaching are hard to address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn Huges Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Wow. We lost all our tough doods in the span of a week. I think the toughest guy on this team now is Myers now. That said a lot about our team. I dont know man. I m starting a little worry about this season now. Who is with me ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 5 hours ago, DrJockitch said: During a season with no camp, almost no practices and extended absence because of COVID., the areas that need the most coaching are hard to address. That certainly explains why countless other players managed to progress in their development on other teams. Nothing but excuses all day every day with this team. The team sucked last year. The roster sucked. The coaching sucked. The systems and style sucked. And the execution of the faulty strategies sucked. Accountability is an actual thing. Benning, Green, and their die hard supporters need to just own the above. Maybe try changing a few things to learn from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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