Warhippy Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 hours ago, BureBurrito said: Sat reports that maybe it is Columbus who's willing to trade for Miller....their 6th and 12th overall ONLY if one of the 2 d-men or Cooley (Horvat-like player) slide? Miller Cap dump? 15th overall 6th Overall 12th Overall Boqvist Robinson 2023 mid round pick Or a package around Sillinger/Johnson (doubt it) If JR/Allvin COULD manage that particular trade it would set this club up for a decade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 4 hours ago, HKSR said: They didn't announce a rebuild after finishing 9th. They announced it after sucking for the 2017-18 season. If the Bruins are bottom feeders next year by the trade deadline, then yeah, makes sense. They were still fighting for a playoff spot and Vigneault felt they pulled the rug under his feet. McAvoy and Marchand are announced out until December. Grzelcyk until November. Bergeron is contemplating retirement. That's quite a lot of top players missing. They have to hope Carlo/Lindholm can hold the fort defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 https://canucksarmy.com/2022/06/07/the-trade-market-for-canucks-d-tyler-myers-might-be-14-teams-bigger-than-we-thought/ If the Canucks trade Myers they’ll have enough cap space to sign both Miller, Horvat and Boeser. Apparently there is a market for a 6’8 RHD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 5 hours ago, Alflives said: Alf has many faces: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pure961089 said: https://canucksarmy.com/2022/06/07/the-trade-market-for-canucks-d-tyler-myers-might-be-14-teams-bigger-than-we-thought/ If the Canucks trade Myers they’ll have enough cap space to sign both Miller, Horvat and Boeser. Apparently there is a market for a 6’8 RHD. If we trade Myers we'll need to re-allocate the cap he'd free up to replace him though, and we need to bolster our blue line something fierce. We need two top 4RD sooner than later, be that with known NHL level quantities or high end RD prospects. With two years left on his deal Myers was always going to need replacing sooner than later, and we aren't going to find a legit top 4RD via ufa for what we were paying Hamonic. As it stands our RD depth is Myers, Schenn, and Burroughs, and neither Schenn or Burroughs are top 4D. Not sure if Dermott plays both sides, but he's not a top 4D either. You're in tough to make the playoffs with that right side, forward isn't where I'd be dumping a ton of cap. Maybe Poolman plays again at some point, but he's yet another bottom pairing guy at best. Edited June 9, 2022 by Coconuts 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Hear CBJ is a team to watch for miller. Maybe we could get Boqvist+ 6th overall 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Readership Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 If that's the case with Columbus I'd want something like: Columbus receives: Miller 15th OA Vancouver receives: Sillinger/Johnson/Boqvist/Ceulemans 6th OA 12th OA or 6th OA Sillinger/Johnson Boqvist/Ceulemans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 9 hours ago, mll said: They were still fighting for a playoff spot and Vigneault felt they pulled the rug under his feet. McAvoy and Marchand are announced out until December. Grzelcyk until November. Bergeron is contemplating retirement. That's quite a lot of top players missing. They have to hope Carlo/Lindholm can hold the fort defensively. Right... so they weren't a top 10 team at the time they decided to rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Coconuts said: If we trade Myers we'll need to re-allocate the cap he'd free up to replace him though, and we need to bolster our blue line something fierce. We need two top 4RD sooner than later, be that with known NHL level quantities or high end RD prospects. With two years left on his deal Myers was always going to need replacing sooner than later, and we aren't going to find a legit top 4RD via ufa for what we were paying Hamonic. As it stands our RD depth is Myers, Schenn, and Burroughs, and neither Schenn or Burroughs are top 4D. Not sure if Dermott plays both sides, but he's not a top 4D either. You're in tough to make the playoffs with that right side, forward isn't where I'd be dumping a ton of cap. Maybe Poolman plays again at some point, but he's yet another bottom pairing guy at best. Exactly. If you move out a guy that plays 20+ mins a night and don't have a replacement in house, then you have to replace him from outside the org and that's probably going to cost you more than Myers is currently msking. It seems like many don't understand the concept of supply and demand........you use assets from a position of surplus (fwds) to bolster a position of demand (d), not the other way around. They can manage losing a CPL feds, they cannot manage losing a dman (unless a dman comes back in a deal). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, stawns said: Exactly. If you move out a guy that plays 20+ mins a night and don't have a replacement in house, then you have to replace him from outside the org and that's probably going to cost you more than Myers is currently msking. It seems like many don't understand the concept of supply and demand........you use assets from a position of surplus (fwds) to bolster a position of demand (d), not the other way around. They can manage losing a CPL feds, they cannot manage losing a dman (unless a dman comes back in a deal). Myers traded for cap. Garland for Marino. We get a partner for Hughes and save 7 total million on the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 13 hours ago, Pure961089 said: The Canucks as a Whole aren’t very deep anywhere but the wing is where they are the deepest. Because of Boeser’s age 25 I think we get as much in a trade for him as we would Miller. Deep being relative, the Canucks aren’t deep anywhere. Boeser’s biggest issue is his qualifying offer to other teams. While he might feel obligated to give the Canucks every chance in regards to signing for less than that in exchange for term, he had ZERO reason to do so with a new team. Possible interested teams know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, stawns said: Exactly. If you move out a guy that plays 20+ mins a night and don't have a replacement in house, then you have to replace him from outside the org and that's probably going to cost you more than Myers is currently msking. It seems like many don't understand the concept of supply and demand........you use assets from a position of surplus (fwds) to bolster a position of demand (d), not the other way around. They can manage losing a CPL feds, they cannot manage losing a dman (unless a dman comes back in a deal). It seems that many don't understand that any Myers move doesn't happen in a vacuum. Of course you need other D coming back somewhere. Do Rutherford or Allvin strike you as guys who would just willy -nilly move Myers and then sit back and cross their fingers that it all works out? So why does the "can't move Myers" crowd keep using that as a counter point? This is right up there with the nonsense we see as points to keep Miller. Clearly moving a Miller/Boeser/Garland for a guy like Marino and/or signing a guy like Lyubushkin, Manson etc would need to be in the works. By moving Myers out and replacing him with some of these guys, we save cap space, get younger, create a more cohesive/complimentary D core, and we start actually having a succession plan for him leaving in two years anyway. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, aGENT said: It seems that many don't understand that any Myers move doesn't happen in a vacuum. Of course you need other D coming back somewhere. Do Rutherford or Allvin strike you as guys who would just willy -nilly move Myers and then sit back and cross their fingers that it all works out? So why does the "can't move Myers" crowd keep using that as a counter point? This is right up there with the nonsense we see as points to keep Miller. Clearly moving a Miller/Boeser/Garland for a guy like Marino and/or signing a guy like Lyubushkin, Manson etc would need to be in the works. By moving Myers out and replacing him with some of these guys, we save cap space, get younger, create a more cohesive/complimentary D core, and we start actually having a succession plan for him leaving in two years anyway. I'm hearing from the insiders and analysts that there may actually be a decent market for Myers after all. I'm not surprised by that. Look how hard it is for us to find a decent top 4 RHD. Myers is only an issue here because of the makeup of our LHD. On other teams with stay at home LHD, Myers would excel. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: Hear CBJ is a team to watch for miller. Maybe we could get Boqvist+ 6th overall Big Boqvist fan. Getting him and Nazar would be well worth it in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, HKSR said: I'm hearing from the insiders and analysts that there may actually be a decent market for Myers after all. I'm not surprised by that. Look how hard it is for us to find a decent top 4 RHD. Myers is only an issue here because of the makeup of our LHD. On other teams with stay at home LHD, Myers would excel. and who replaces Myers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 9 hours ago, Pure961089 said: https://canucksarmy.com/2022/06/07/the-trade-market-for-canucks-d-tyler-myers-might-be-14-teams-bigger-than-we-thought/ If the Canucks trade Myers they’ll have enough cap space to sign both Miller, Horvat and Boeser. Apparently there is a market for a 6’8 RHD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Just now, stawns said: and who replaces Myers? Free agency... Lyubushkin? Manson? C. Miller? Rutta? Sustr? All of these guys would likely be cheaper than Myers, but we'd also get whatever asset it is we get from trading Myers. Trade ... Marino? Mayfield? Hronek? Whitecloud? Carlo? etc. etc. One of our forwards will likely be traded. We use that forward to refill the RHD spot. Other options ... Dermott is apparently more comfortable on the RH side, perhaps that would work? Maybe a college free agent like Livingstone gets signed? Maybe Woo or Burroughs take a step? Or maybe it's as simple as Hughes moving to RHD because he's probably more than capable of it. There are lots of possibilities. This isn't a "Move Myers, sit on hands and do nothing else" transaction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: Hear CBJ is a team to watch for miller. Maybe we could get Boqvist+ 6th overall 10 minutes ago, Shayster007 said: Big Boqvist fan. Getting him and Nazar would be well worth it in my opinion. If CLB is in the Miller hunt, you go for Andrew Peeke and the 6th OA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 33 minutes ago, HKSR said: I'm hearing from the insiders and analysts that there may actually be a decent market for Myers after all. I'm not surprised by that. Look how hard it is for us to find a decent top 4 RHD. Myers is only an issue here because of the makeup of our LHD. On other teams with stay at home LHD, Myers would excel. Exactly. Good player but bad fit. That and he's set to expire in just a couple years. If we can move him for assets, while getting younger, cheaper etc and hence have a succession plan for him expiring in a couple seasons AND make a better, more cohesive D core... I don't know why so many are scared of this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Myers traded for cap. Garland for Marino. We get a partner for Hughes and save 7 total million on the cap. I don't know that Garland is enough for Marino. Losing Marino would cripple the Pens. Garland for Matt Roy ($3.15m) is more likely, as the Kings need someone to replace Brown and they have a boat load of RD prospects; a couple look ready to join the team. Myers is of more value than what many Nucks fans think. He would be the 2nd RD on the Kracken easily. Imo, Myers gets a 2nd or a decent player. Myers for Geekie (3C-r) RFA +/- $2.5m Berniers easily take Geekie's spot in their lineup. $10.95m (Garland + Myers) - $5.65m (Roy + Geekie) = $5.65m cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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