rekker Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, VegasCanuck said: I would 100% rather trade Miller and resign Horvat to a 8 year contract around 8.5 million. Horvat is a far more complete player than Miller. He's not as flashy, but he doesn't make the glaring errors in judgement at anywhere near the same rate that Miller does. Yip. Rutherford would probably like to do that now as well. Lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, Gurn said: Thus everything about the owner not interfering is speculation as well. Aqualini runs a multi billion dollar business empire. People who run multi billion dollar business empires don't sit at their desk and make decisions on which players to trade. The only way you get to running a multi billion dollar business empire is by putting people you trust in place to make decisions for you and you have bi-weekly lunch meetings where you talk about how everything is going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Aqualini runs a multi billion dollar business empire. People who run multi billion dollar business empires don't sit at their desk and make decisions on which players to trade. The only way you get to running a multi billion dollar business empire is by putting people you trust in place to make decisions for you and you have bi-weekly lunch meetings where you talk about how everything is going. so speculation, like you and I just said; unless you were there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VegasCanuck Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Just now, Gurn said: so speculation, like you and I just said; unless you were there? My speculation is based on 30+ years of watching successful people run really large organizations. They all have specific management traits. Micromanagers do not get to where Aqualini is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SN- Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, Jester13 said: IF the Farhan toxic rumour is true, it 100% is Miller, as per the clip of him and Schenn having beef at the end of the period that one game. Trade Miller before it's too late and salvage this team's present and future. Watch them double down and make Miller the captain. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 At this point give Petey the keys to the car. Whatever makes him happy management should go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jester13 said: IF the Farhan toxic rumour is true, it 100% is Miller, as per the clip of him and Schenn having beef at the end of the period that one game. Trade Miller before it's too late and salvage this team's present and future. I think one of the main reasons fans don't have a hard time buying the narrative is that given Miller's personality type it's not hard to see happening. He's the kind of guy that in a winning environment everyone wants around because he will pump everyone up. But, the flip side of that is when things are going bad he's the type to be the first to throw a temper tantrum and start shouting at people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VegasCanuck Posted December 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2022 As much as I'd hate to see Horvat leave, sometimes you have to make substantial trades and move someone you'd rather not move. Trading Linden sucked, but getting Bertuzzi, McCabe and Ruutu in return put this team on track to dominate again. If we trade Horvat, we "should" consider trading Miller as well before his NTC kicks in, complete reset the chemistry and dynamics of this team and we would likely be back in the playoff next season, based on the return we get for the two of them. Focus around Demko (will return to form), Hughes and Pettersson. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Horvat for Trouba straight up. Captain for captain. One year older, but instantly solves the RHD problem in a huge way. Just 3 more years @ 8M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 hour ago, jyu said: Is Bo on the same caliber as O'Reilly at the time of the trade? Similar in a lot of ways but notably less physical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: My speculation is based on 30+ years of watching successful people run really large organizations. They all have specific management traits. Micromanagers do not get to where Aqualini is.... You believe your years of speculation, are more accurate than others speculation, and others disagree. TLDR- it is all just opinion, and everyone has one of those. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat land fish Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, GB5 said: Similar in a lot of ways but notably less physical And not as good defensively but probably more goal scoring upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Kesler had 104 points? Did I miss that year? I think you are thinking about Naslund, I don't believe Kesler ever got more than like 70-80 points... He had 104 Penalty Mins one year. - the anti-Selke award, maybe? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Diamonds said: I think one of the main reasons fans don't have a hard time buying the narrative is that given Miller's personality type it's not hard to see happening. He's the kind of guy that in a winning environment everyone wants around because he will pump everyone up. But, the flip side of that is when things are going bad he's the type to be the first to throw a temper tantrum and start shouting at people. Anyone who gets in a heated convo with Schenn at the end of period like that says to me that they're not emotionally on the same page as the rest of the leadership team. Now that the word "toxic" has been put out there, I'm 80%+ convinced that this locker room is broken, and Miller is the guy that has been rubbing others the wrong way for all the wrong reasons, and for a long time. This is a big turning point for the franchise: They either keep the toxic personality and lose the captain and likely others as well, or they cut their losses and trade him and see what this team can do with the rest of the leadership group. Of course, it's possible Farhan is getting his info from an unreliable source and all is good in the room. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 There's enough smoke around this "toxic dressing room" that I'm fully prepared to believe it. Even Bruce, who's perhaps the most up-beat coach there is, seems worn down and dejected in his media scrums. The toxicity may extend all the way up through management and ownership. Bruce knows the players aren't buying in, and that management doesn't fully support him. I think they've treated him pretty badly. It's just a crappy situation all around. And it's not hard to imagine Miller being a big part of the problem in the room based on his public displays of frustration and lazy play. I'm only going on a hunch but I personally would trade Miller and re-sign Horvat, but I suspect Horvat wants to move on so ideally both Miller and Horvat would be traded for as many picks, prospects, and good roster players as we can get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Management gave Petey two new wingers to form a #1 line and also got a completely new 4th line, all for free. One of those players on the 4th line even has more goals than Boeser and Garland. They now need to work on the 2nd and 3rd lines. And the defence. This was never gonna get fixed in one offseason. Trading BO for assets, freeing up cape space and picking up some new players next offseason is the next goal. We freed up cape space when we bought out Virtanen.... Edited December 14, 2022 by Googlie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, Googlie said: Horvat for Trouba straight up. Captain for captain. One year older, but instantly solves the RHD problem in a huge way. Just 3 more years @ 8M Trouba picked NY so his wife could be close to her family. No chance Trouba would ok the trade. I do love Trouba's game. A modern Scott Stevens type, just too exspensive. Can't have him and OEL on our team at those cap hits. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Just now, Strawbone said: There's enough smoke around this "toxic dressing room" that I'm fully prepared to believe it. Even Bruce, who's perhaps the most up-beat coach there is, seems worn down and dejected in his media scrums. The toxicity may extend all the way up through management and ownership. Bruce knows the players aren't buying in, and that management doesn't fully support him. I think they've treated him pretty badly. It's just a crappy situation all around. And it's not hard to imagine Miller being a big part of the problem in the room based on his public displays of frustration and lazy play. I'm only going on a hunch but I personally would trade Miller and re-sign Horvat, but I suspect Horvat wants to move on so ideally both Miller and Horvat would be traded for as many picks, prospects, and good roster players as we can get. Miller for sure could rub some people the wrong way. But we shouldn’t forget that he was the guy who spoke for all the guys when Benning had his “shocking reset” of bad moves after the bubble playoff success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gurn Posted December 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2022 " Bo won't take a home town discount"- How the heck do we know? " Bo was offered $5.125" - How the heck do we know? " Bo wants to leave" -How the heck do we know? "Bo turned down an 8x 8 deal" How do we know? So many people think they KNOW, but like the rest of us, they don't know a damn thing. They are guessing, just like everyone else. 1 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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