DeNiro Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Just now, JM_ said: is he top pairing? He was in Florida as far as I know. Played the second most minutes behind Ekblad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Just now, DeNiro said: He was in Florida as far as I know. Played the second most minutes behind Ekblad. I think thats where I'd draw a distinction between top pair (Ekbland) and top 4 (Weegie). Would we be satisfied trading Bo for Weegar straight up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: I think thats where I'd draw a distinction between top pair (Ekbland) and top 4 (Weegie). Would we be satisfied trading Bo for Weegar straight up? I’d rather trade Garland/Boeser before trading Bo. BUT I’d accept that trade if Bo is not willing to re-sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, BPA said: I’d rather trade Garland/Boeser before trading Bo. BUT I’d accept that trade if Bo is not willing to re-sign. I guess thats the don't lose him for nothing scenario. I think its all moot and we'll see a signing soon, really can't see this falling apart. Who would we replace him with? an even more expensive and older RoR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, JM_ said: I think thats where I'd draw a distinction between top pair (Ekbland) and top 4 (Weegie). Would we be satisfied trading Bo for Weegar straight up? I wouldn’t trade Bo for him no, but that doesn’t change the fact that he played a top pair role. I don’t consider Tanev a true top pair guy, but that’s the role he plays and something this team could desperately use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I wouldn’t trade Bo for him no, but that doesn’t change the fact that he played a top pair role. I don’t consider Tanev a true top pair guy, but that’s the role he plays and something this team could desperately use. fair enough. I was thinking more of the Weber in his prime type of moves, vs. guys that can step in and fill parts of a role. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I'm all in at 6.5 over 8 years. I've seen enough to know he's worth that. He's durable and a faceoff king. But doesn't really drive the play and create chances like Miller. Bo also isn't some star defensive guy either. Fair to say he's about a mill and a half less valuable than Miller. I'm open to possible returns on him though but obviously the value needs to be more than what Bo is for us right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, JM_ said: fair enough. I was thinking more of the Weber in his prime type of moves, vs. guys that can step in and fill parts of a role. Last player of that caliber was probably Weber for Subban then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Bo should be staying but like suggested there are other trade options if it came down to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, cripplereh said: Bo should be staying but like suggested there are other trade options if it came down to it. Once again depends on what the other team is offering. It would have to be almost an overpayment to see the team move Bo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Miller himself said he signed for less than market. Also, how do you know he has reached his peak? Can you predict the future? 30 year old players who are top 15 players in the NHL have signed for more than $8 million. $8 million isn't market value for Miller. If you can't understand that then there really is no point to go any further with this. How do I know he reached his peaked? Because he’s 29 years old, already in his prime. He’s not in his mid 20’s. If he continues to put up 95+ points for the next few seasons, great. I’ll gladly eat my own words, but that’s likely not going to happen. Just look at the guys who signed 8m+ contracts in their early 30’s, that had year careers when they signed their contract. All of their numbers came back down to earth the following season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 1 hour ago, JM_ said: I'm trying to remember, when is the last time a top pair RHD was traded? Weegar a couple of months ago. But pretty sure I said top rhd prospect not top pairing rhd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Schneider, Chytil & a 2nd?! Arriving & leaving for a Schneider would be pretty rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 1 hour ago, JM_ said: fair enough. I was thinking more of the Weber in his prime type of moves, vs. guys that can step in and fill parts of a role. I think you're thinking more of a #1 D, not a top pairing guy. The way I see it, there are 64 top pairing D in the NHL (32x2). Weegar ranked 31st in TOI/game last year, so by that metric, there could even be an argument he's a fringe #1 or high end #2 guy. Personally, it looks to me like Weegar has incredible underlying numbers and I'm fairly confident that he's a solid #1 guy. His underlying metrics along with his offensive output put him very much in the same mold as Jaccob Slavin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, -AJ- said: I think you're thinking more of a #1 D, not a top pairing guy. The way I see it, there are 64 top pairing D in the NHL (32x2). Weegar ranked 31st in TOI/game last year, so by that metric, there could even be an argument he's a fringe #1 or high end #2 guy. Personally, it looks to me like Weegar has incredible underlying numbers and I'm fairly confident that he's a solid #1 guy. His underlying metrics along with his offensive output put him very much in the same mold as Jaccob Slavin. thats an interesting way to look at it, although each of those 64 spots are not created equal. I guess for me I'd be upset at Bo being traded for Weegar, but Shea Theodore? thats a different animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 29 minutes ago, JM_ said: thats an interesting way to look at it, although each of those 64 spots are not created equal. I guess for me I'd be upset at Bo being traded for Weegar, but Shea Theodore? thats a different animal. I personally think Weegar is better than Theodore, but age differences are very relevant. I would be a bit upset, but I actually think the value would be there in the deal. That said, I'm very aware that I rate Weegar much higher than most people do. I think most people consider him an average #2 D-man, whereas I consider him an average #1 D man, considerably higher. That said, he finished 14th in Norris voting in 2021 and 8th in Norris voting this past year, so by those vote rankings, you can see that I'm not totally alone in my thinking. I'm interested to see if he can keep up the job in Calgary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackdawg Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 3 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: I wonder how much Bo is looking for in totality with this contract. Is he expecting somewhere around that 42 to 50 million range or is it more? 52 mill min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 I cant see any world in which we trade Bo Horvat. It would make 0 sense, even if we got a top RHD prospect. We have some depth up the middle for the first time in a LONG time, and an upgraded RHD would best case scenario just wash out that benefit. Horvat plays shutdown minutes for us while being able to put up 30 goals. You don't trade that kind of player away, because you'll never get one back unless you draft him again. Not to mention he's the captain. If you want a top pairing RHD, you part with Garland + a 1st, not Bo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Is this the new JT Miller thread? Pretty weak only 66 pages guys 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 $7 x 8 is my guess I can't see them trading Horvat, but if they do, maybe Horvat to CAR for Pesce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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