Industrious1 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Tried to find this on CBC but apparently they aren't covering it. Here is a BBC article on one of the big protests going on in Europe at the moment. Covid: Thousands protest in France against proposed new vaccine pass Published 1 day ago IMAGE SOURCE,GETTY IMAGES Image caption, About 18,000 people attended the protest in the capital Paris French authorities say more than 105,000 people have taken part in protests across the country against the introduction of a new coronavirus pass. A new draft law would in effect ban unvaccinated people from public life. Demonstrators in the capital, Paris, held placards emblazoned with phrases like "no to vaccine passes". Interior Ministry officials said 34 people were arrested and some 10 police officers were injured after the protests turned violent in some places. The bill, which passed its first reading in the lower house of France's parliament on Thursday, would remove the option of showing a negative Covid-19 test to gain access to a host of public venues. Instead, people would have to be fully vaccinated to visit a range of spaces, including bars and restaurants. The government says it expects the new rules to come into force on 15 January, although the opposition-dominated Senate could delay the process. But demonstrators on Saturday accused the government of trampling on their freedoms and treating citizens unequally. Others targeted their anger at the president, Emmanuel Macron, over comments he made earlier this week in relation to unvaccinated citizens, telling Le Parisian newspaper that he wanted to "piss them off". One protester, hospital administrator Virginie Houget, told the Reuters news agency that Mr Macron's remarks were "the last straw". And in Paris, where some 18,000 people marched against the new law, demonstrators responded to his coarse language by chanting: "We'll piss you off". French MPs get death threats over Covid-19 pass Covid vaccination centres vandalised in France TV images showed altercations between protesters and police turning violent in some places. In Montpellier officers used teargas during clashes with the demonstrators. Turnout for the protests was estimated to be about four times higher than the last major demonstrations on 18 December, when some 25,500 people marched across the country. But despite the vocal protests, opposition to the new measures is not widespread and recent polling suggests the vast majority of people back the vaccine pass. France is one of the most highly vaccinated countries in Europe, with more than 90% of over-12s eligible for the shot fully vaccinated. Meanwhile, new coronavirus infections are rising rapidly across France as the new Omicron variant takes hold. The country recorded more than 300,000 new cases for the second time in a week on Friday and admissions to intensive care wards are rising steadily, putting healthcare systems under strain. Some hospitals have reported that some 85% of ICU patients are not vaccinated against Covid-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 just get the shot 1 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I don't agree with vaccine passports. It has been a way of punishment for those that don't want to take the vaccine. There have been some silver linings such as convincing more people to take the vaccine. There is also no way to measure how much slower the spread has been amongst the unvaccinated population who is harder hit by the virus, but that could be seen as a small silver lining. On the other side, people's mental health has taken a huge hit and that's not something that will be easy to treat. We have also alienated a large segment of our population. Taking all of those reasons into account, vaccine passport is not a good thing for our society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The French so love a good protest. When Citroen (I think...) laid off 3000000 people they rioted and murdered the CEO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: I don't agree with vaccine passports. It has been a way of punishment for those that don't want to take the vaccine. There have been some silver linings such as convincing more people to take the vaccine. There is also no way to measure how much slower the spread has been amongst the unvaccinated population who is harder hit by the virus, but that could be seen as a small silver lining. On the other side, people's mental health has taken a huge hit and that's not something that will be easy to treat. We have also alienated a large segment of our population. Taking all of those reasons into account, vaccine passport is not a good thing for our society. mental health is from lockdowns and social distance, not vaccine mandates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, butters said: mental health is from lockdowns and social distance, not vaccine mandates. I just wanna say, glad you're still around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: There is also no way to measure how much slower the spread has been amongst the unvaccinated population If there is no way of measuring this, why would you say it is slower spreading amongst the unvaccinated? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 I a. all for vaccines. I am all for vaccine passports. Even more so about ensuring those most at risk are properly cared for and the risk of their hospitalization mitigated. But. BIG OL BUT When the pendulum swings so far from one direction to another that protection kinda resembles coercion and then dives towards authoritarianism I am out. The mention of mandatory vaccines here has me cringing. I can not and will not accept the government dictating what people can or can not do with their bodies and then fining them or punishing them because they made a choice. We had this discussion already. Women rightfully won the right to govern their own bodies and this should apply to everyone. I believe a form of systems can be brought in to ensure those refusing to vaccinate can go about their day to day without much issue is fine. But punitive measures I can not stomach. The right to protest is something the French do damned well and the ongoing restrictions are definitely wearing on people. But I do not think it will take much to start pushing people over the edge across the G8/G20 if they go to far 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 These are the type of people that would have Small Pox still prevalent for their freedom for everyone to enjoy I remember people showing more concern for people and society before (or is it just my experience)? Why would these people ever go to a hospital when ill and have some doctor approved drug, but yet they do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #Canucks Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 If you get the vaccine you can catch & spread covid with less symptoms. If you don't get the vaccine you can catch & spread covid with worse symptoms. I think the consequence is not getting the jab. Let the unvaccinated be. They will either live or die but that is their choice. Stop fighting. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Master Mind Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 Some foresaw that the passports would become stricter, and this appears to be the case. They were a bad idea from the beginning for this very reason. I also think the passports give people a false sense of safety, which then results in not masking/distancing as safely as they could/should. Sporting events, concerts, and even restaurants are good examples of this. Get rid of the passports. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, butters said: mental health is from lockdowns and social distance, not vaccine mandates. Thx! If this is meant as an encouraging mental health comment then thank you! Although luckily I am not prone to that. If its a meta comment on my presence on the board, I didn't think I posted enough to be know to anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brownky Posted January 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2022 In this case, people should be able to do what they like. But they should not have access to hospital resources relating to Covid. You got it? No shot? No dice, go suffer at home - you made your bed. Quit taking up resources for other people because you decided to be a moron. I don't like the passport but I equally dislike people displacing smarter peoples' surgeries and whatnot just because they think they know better and then wind up nearly dead in a hospital bed. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, #Canucks said: If you get the vaccine you can catch & spread covid with less symptoms. If you don't get the vaccine you can catch & spread covid with worse symptoms. I think the consequence is not getting the jab. Let the unvaccinated be. They will either live or die but that is their choice. Stop fighting. Sure, as long as we stop wasting tax dollars on keeping those idiots alive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deus.ex.makina Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 45 minutes ago, JM_ said: just get the shot in France we are at more than 300.000 cases by day. so your "vaccine" doesn't immunize at all. which is the definition of a vaccin. now in term of "protecting from severe form", the DREES here, the institute of Statistics for the health minister, said only 36% of deads were unvaccinated. 66% were vaccinated. so you're banning from society the unvaxxed guys who are tested DAILY at their own costs, for a product in still experimental phase until 2023, that does'nt prevent from controling cases and for a very light benefices for a specific profil such as old, with diabetis disease ? our prime mister Castex said yesterday than you can be Covid positive and take the train if you are vaxxed, but a Covid negative unvaxxed can't. what's wrong with you, and your world ? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Well, I protest a new thread being created for this story. Now we have two Covid threads.....just what we need.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Master Mind said: Some foresaw that the passports would become stricter, and this appears to be the case. They were a bad idea from the beginning for this very reason. I also think the passports give people a false sense of safety, which then results in not masking/distancing as safely as they could/should. Sporting events, concerts, and even restaurants are good examples of this. Get rid of the passports. They were not strict enough to begin with. Stop forcing those of us whose brains work properly from being forced to mingle with these waking biohazards. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deus.ex.makina Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, brownky said: In this case, people should be able to do what they like. But they should not have access to hospital resources relating to Covid. You got it? No shot? No dice, go suffer at home - you made your bed. Quit taking up resources for other people because you decided to be a moron. I don't like the passport but I equally dislike people displacing smarter peoples' surgeries and whatnot just because they think they know better and then wind up nearly dead in a hospital bed. oh my... since 2010 we displacing surgeries because our gouvernements delete beds in hospitals. even at the most of the covid in 2020, our beloved Macron and Veran had deleted 5200 beds ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industrious1 Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Well, I protest a new thread being created for this story. Now we have two Covid threads.....just what we need.... The covid thread is just about the most toxic thing I've ever seen on an internet forum. Even got mods jumping all over people in there. This is supposed to be about the protests, but of course some discussion will spill over. Debate and discussion are good things, even if all opinions do not line up nicely and neatly. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
None Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) Dr. Patty Daly, chief medical officer of health for Vancouver Coastal Health: "It's really to create incentive to improve our vaccine coverage," she said. "The vaccine passport is for non-essential opportunities and it is really to create incentive to get higher vaccination rates." "The vaccine passport requires people be vaccinated to do certain discretionary activities such as go to restaurants, movies, gyms - not because these places are high risk. We're actually not seeing COVID transmission in these settings." It's not about protecting the spread, it's about getting higher vaccine rates. Why isn't this in the news? You can decide that for yourself (link to video below). We have heard it straight from them - the vaccine passports are a form of coercion. This is causing major segregation in the community. It doesn't help when Trudeau calls unvaccinated people "misogynists, and often racist", and even goes on to say "do we tolerate these people?" - sounds like a phrase that got a certain Hockey Broadcaster fired. Link to Toronto Sun below in regards to his comment). The French President saying he wants to "piss off" unvaccinated people and make life more difficult for them so they'll get jabbed is yet again another form of coercion. Getting the vaccine only protects the person who is getting the shot, which should be that persons choice. Period. This is just getting out of hand. Good for them for protesting, and sticking up for their rights. References below for the quoteshttps://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-passport-just-an-incentive-and-not-about-health-vancouver-medical-officer/https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/warmington-opposition-shockingly-silent-on-pms-hatred-of-unvaccinated-canadians Edited January 10, 2022 by Breezy 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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