Maginator Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: I figured as the jerseys were on sale on the team store website. It's too bad, I really like these jerseys. Probably making more room for the flying spaghetti plate though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, EdgarM said: So true, look how long it took to get retribution on Keith's hit on Daniel. Daniel was retired by then that's how long it took. I don't think Myers has played like that since, by the way. Myers always gets called for penalties for being too big. Look how horrible our PK was/is. It's no surprise that Myers isn't playing more physical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Maginator said: Not a chance. We see he brings positivity even as fans watching from home. I don't believe one bit he's the problem. We've had problems way before Kuzmenko arrived. Besides he's a rookie. It's not like he's going to overstep his boundaries with vets in the room. IMO the problem is the cliqueness. As an outsider I can see the cliqueness. It's always the same guys coming into the rink together at the same time. Not usually a different mix of players. They need to start treating eachother as brothers going to war as opposed to coworkers collecting a paycheck who give eachother head nods at the water cooler. There's a lack of compete in the team and it all stems from the leaders. I think Miller is probably the elephant in the room that everyone has a hard time with. And Bo is just so fricken soft spoken. He could still wear the 'C' but we need more players willing to step up and speak their mind. We just need more leaders. We're one of the youngest teams in the league. We need people who have been there done that and who will go to f***ing battle beside eachother. No one holds the other team accountable when a big hit occurs on the ice. It's hockey FFS. It's supposed to be a rough sport. We need to start playing with some heart or this season is headed straight for the p!$$er. Really not interested in another season of barely missing the playoffs. We have the skill but it's time to battle for eachother. Skill single handedly won't win us games. that's such an outdated myth........all that gets you is a penalty and 2 mins on pk. Bo might not be demonstrative, but he's certainly not soft spoken, he looks dead serious all the time. Stevie Y barely said a word as captain, yet I think most people would put him as one of the top 10 leaders in the history of the game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Maginator said: Not a chance. We see he brings positivity even as fans watching from home. I don't believe one bit he's the problem. We've had problems way before Kuzmenko arrived. Besides he's a rookie. It's not like he's going to overstep his boundaries with vets in the room. IMO the problem is the cliqueness. As an outsider I can see the cliqueness. It's always the same guys coming into the rink together at the same time. Not usually a different mix of players. They need to start treating eachother as brothers going to war as opposed to coworkers collecting a paycheck who give eachother head nods at the water cooler. There's a lack of compete in the team and it all stems from the leaders. I think Miller is probably the elephant in the room that everyone has a hard time with. And Bo is just so fricken soft spoken. He could still wear the 'C' but we need more players willing to step up and speak there mind. We just need more leaders. We're one of the youngest teams in the league. We need people who have been there done that and who will go to f***ing battle beside eachother. No one holds the other team accountable when a big hit occurs on the ice. It's hockey FFS. It's supposed to be a rough sport. We need to start playing with some heart or this season is headed straight for the p!$$er. Really not interested in another season of barely missing the playoffs. We have the skill but it's time to battle for eachother. Skill single handedly won't win us games. 100%. Bo Horvat, Brock Boeser, and JT Miller have skated away from conflict on the ice one too many times. Sure you can make an excuse for Bo every single time in isolation, but when it happens every single time then it becomes their identity. Soft players to play against. Full of skill, but easy pushovers in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, stawns said: that's such an outdated myth........all that gets you is a penalty and 2 mins on pk. Bo might not be demonstrative, but he's certainly not soft spoken, he looks dead serious all the time. Stevie Y barely said a word as captain, yet I think most people would put him as one of the top 10 leaders in the history of the game. Stevie Y said all he needed to say, on the ice. He was able to play in all aspects of the game, including physicality. He was one of my favorite players growing up because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: If team has no intent in using Rathbone, send him to Abbotsford to get games. Its useless to have him sitting in the pressbox. Doing to him what we did to Rafferty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, stawns said: that's such an outdated myth........all that gets you is a penalty and 2 mins on pk. Bo might not be demonstrative, but he's certainly not soft spoken, he looks dead serious all the time. Stevie Y barely said a word as captain, yet I think most people would put him as one of the top 10 leaders in the history of the game. Podkolzin got run twice last game without any answer from our team. It's starting to become embarrassing. It took Petey having to do something at the end of the game when he tried to hit Blankenburg back (but missed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: 100%. Bo Horvat, Brock Boeser, and JT Miller have skated away from conflict on the ice one too many times. Sure you can make an excuse for Bo every single time in isolation, but when it happens every single time then it becomes their identity. Soft players to play against. Full of skill, but easy pushovers in the end. again, that's a minor and disappearing element of the game and has no impact on the performance of the team, imo. Back when you had goons and hard nosed players, maybe, but not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templeton Peck Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Don't worry I've got insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, MikeyD said: We all get that. But why Joshua? He has ten hits in 4 games playing on the 4th line. The bulk of those coming from one game lol. He had 0 hits last game. based on the rest of your post, I'm not sure that's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: Wonder who's gonna be BB's whipping boy in the press-box tonight after the last four Horror-Shows? JTM, BB, ????? I heard it’s Hogz. … but we have 13 forwards that are healthy, he has to do something. Relax people. “Drama Queens and Kings” .. need thread for that ! Lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, 250Integra said: Would rather have Hoglander in than Joshua. He was brought in to play a heavy game but instead doesn't throw any hits and gets tossed around. Might as well have kept Highmore or Lammikko. Back in the late spring I did two complete time consuming breakdowns of cost per goal-value and Time per goal - considering on TOI time on every player on the team and posted it in a thread called "Who really returns the Best Point Output Per $ (OFFICIAL/FINAL) 2021-22 Player Cost per Goal & Point") and Lamimiko was one of the beter value players on the team. That analysis was based on FACT - not heresay! Time PER GOAL & ASSIST Factoring in T.O.I. Player: T.O.I. 21-22: $/Min Goals: Min/Goal: Points: Min/Point: FORWARDS; Pettersson 1487:36 $4,943 32 46 68 22 Boeser 1320:32 $4,451 23 57 46 29 Horvat 1365:47 $4,029 31 44(Low) 52 26 Miller 1686:09 $3,114 32 53 99 17(Low) Garland 1263:20 $3,919 19 66 52 24 Pearson 1091:44 $2,979 14 78 34 32 Sutter Dickinson 808:36 $3,280 5 162 11 73 Hoglander 786:53 $1,134 10 79 18 44 Podkolzin 1010:29 $ 916 14 72 26 39 Lockwood 147:25 $5,728 0 0 Richardson 185:03 $4,324 2 93 4 46 Chiasson 777:14 $ 965 13 59 22 35 Petan 185:10 $4,054 0 2 93 Lammikko 920:42 $ 815 7 131 15 61 Dries 113:18 $6,637(High) 2 56 3 38 Highmore 583:58 $1,241 5 117 12 49 D-MEN: Hughes 1919:10 $4,091 8 240 68 28 OEL 1763:24 $4,118 5 352 29 61 Poolman 680:03 $3,676 1 680 3 227(High) Myers 1802:10 $3,330 1 1802(High) 18 100 Dermott 287:12 $5,226 1 287 2 144 Schenn 1135:51 $ 749(Low)5 227 17 67 Hunt 762:39 $1,050 3 254 17 44 Burroughs 543:20 $1,381 1 543 5 107 COST PER GOAL & Point Player: Cap Hit 21-22 Goals; Cost per Goal: Total points: Cost per point; FORWARDS; Pettersson $7.350,000 32 $229,688 68 $108,088 Boeser $5,875.000 23 $255,435 46 $127,717 Horvat $5,500.000 31 $177,419 52 $105,769 Miller $5,250.000 32 $164,062 99 $ 53,030 Garland $4,950.000 19 $260,526 52 $ 95,192 Pearson $3,250.000 14 $232,143 34 $ 95,588 Sutter $1,125,000 Dickinson $2,650.000 5 $530,000 11 $240,909 Hoglander $ 891,000 10 $ 89,100 18 $ 49,500 Podkolzin $ 925,000 14 $ 66,071 26 $ 35,577 Lockwood $ 842,000 0 0 Richardson $ 800,000 2 $400,000 4 $200,000 Chiasson $ 750,000 13 $ 57,692 (LOW) 22 $ 34,091 (LOW) Petan $ 750,000 0 2 $375,000 Lammikko $ 750,000 7 $107,142 15 $ 50,000 Dries $ 750,000 2 $375,000 3 $250,000 Highmore $ 725,000 5 $145,000 12 $ 60,417 D-MEN: Hughes $7,850,000 8 $ 981,250 68 $115,441 OEL $7,260,000 5 $1,452,000 29 $250,344 Poolman $2,500,000 1 $2,500,000 3 $833,333 (HIGH) Myers $6,000,000 1 $6,000,000 (HIGH) 18 $333,000 Dermott $1,500,000 1 $1,500,000 2 $750,000 Schenn $ 850,000 5 $ 170,000 17 $ 50,000 Hunt $ 800,000 3 $ 266,666 17 $ 47,059 Burroughs $ 750,000 1 $ 750,000 5 $150,000 TOTAL Avg cost per Goal; *234 $301,893 (= total Skater Salaries listed of $70,643,000/ divided by 234 Goals) TOTAL Avg cost per Assist; 623 $113,392 (= total Skater Salaries listed of $70,643,000/ divided by 623 Assist) *The other 15 goals scored by the team this year - totalling 249, is from other players not listed. Edited October 20, 2022 by RU SERIOUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, VancouverHabitant said: Podkolzin got run twice last game without any answer from our team. It's starting to become embarrassing. It took Petey having to do something at the end of the game when he tried to hit Blankenburg back (but missed). why would they "respond" to a hit? What's the point? To take a penalty, put the theam on the pk and likely give up a goal? Where's the logic in that? Podz wasn't hurt, had no impact on the rest of his game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr. Crossbar Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 Travis Green never benched anyone when there were many, MANY times he should have, and fans whined. Now we have a coach who's not afraid to scratch players, shake things up, hold them accountable, and fans still whine. We've blown leads in four consecutive games. Do whatever it takes to turn this around. Good on Bruce! 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, Dr. Crossbar said: Travis Green never benched anyone when there were many, MANY times he should have, and fans whined. Now we have a coach who's not afraid to scratch players, shake things up, hold them accountable, and fans still whine. We've blown leads in four consecutive games. Do whatever it takes to turn this around. Good on Bruce! I’m just upset it was Garland. The person that deserved to be scratched was Miller but maybe why Bruce went this route was because of the media/fan reaction would have been 10x 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Travis Green never benched anyone when there were many, MANY times he should have, and fans whined. Now we have a coach who's not afraid to scratch players, shake things up, hold them accountable, and fans still whine. We've blown leads in four consecutive games. Do whatever it takes to turn this around. Good on Bruce! it's too bad he's choosing the completely wrong players to sit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Locke Lamora said: If Hogz is scratched, then lol. Just LOL. The guys effort has been perhaps the best on the team, shame about his stone hands. I suppose he may be the scapegoat for the OT loss during 3 on 3 circus time. This after we gave up a 3 on 0 a few moments earlier. I didn’t buy into the Boudreau charm offensive like many did and the bloom is most definitely mostly off the rose right now for me in terms of coaching wherewithal. When healthy Hogs is the odd man out with this line-up. He must have the worst shooting in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, Devron said: I’m just upset it was Garland. The person that deserved to be scratched was Miller but maybe why Bruce went this route was because of the media/fan reaction would have been 10x I'm more upset that we've blown these leads, so scratching guys is warranted. I agree Miller should take a seat for a game. People are making way too much of the scratching. They're pros. They get it ... May not like it but they get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SN- Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Travis Green never benched anyone How's your memory? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, Zfetch said: Some people are way too attached to a bottom 6 winger that came out of the 2nd round…those are dime a dozen I love Hoglander but you are correct, he came from the 2nd round and still needs more development; you don't just get to stay on Petey's line unless you really earn it. This Kuz-EP-Podz line is going to kill. Kill I say! Kill! Kill! Kill! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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