[Report] Canucks fire Bruce Boudreau, Trent Cull; name Rick Tocchet as head coach, Adam Foote as assistant coach, Sergei Gonchar as defensive development coach

[EdgarM]

58 minutes ago, tas said:

neither has any as a head coach. 

Not yet. 

[24K PureCool]

53 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

Correct. Also whenever anyone brings up Tocchets "criminal" history it completely deflates their argument. Too much of that going on.

Guy ran a small time sports book. Jeeze big deal. Look at all the gambling adds being shoved down our throats. The whole NHL is one giant sportsbook nowadays.

I think the bad part of that is not running a sports book but the part that he was fixing matches. 

 

Anyway I used that a bit before realizing it was a stupid argument. 

 

Looking at it strictly on the hockey perspective. My main dislike of this hire is purely on JR and his nepotism where Tocchet was pretty much the heir apprent sice the off season just like Allvin. There was no serious coaching search done. That does not install confidence that management hired the best coach available especially given his coaching record and underachieving win above replacement stat. 

 

I know it is who you know rather than what you know but to me, knowing someone should end at getting the interview rather than the job outright. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by 24K PureCool

[nuck-lifer]

25 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

If new tough love leadership doesnt turn him around then nothing will. 

The dangerous game he is playing is if he comes out flying for the next 6 games. Hitting, being engaged at both ends of the ice etc. Then he shows the fans that he still has another level, which means he sets the new bar high and it becomes the standard. I will expect this from him moving forward regardless. 

When he has Footes nose in his face, I think he'll get the message and chill out on some of his antics. 

You wanna a piece of me!!??

 

 

[King Heffy]

41 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

Correct. Also whenever anyone brings up Tocchets "criminal" history it completely deflates their argument. Too much of that going on.

Guy ran a small time sports book. Jeeze big deal. Look at all the gambling adds being shoved down our throats. The whole NHL is one giant sportsbook nowadays.

Some are ok with his past misconduct, some aren't.  I'm not sure soap on a rope is what the players were hoping for when it comes to feeling safe in the room though.  The criminal history can't be in quotation marks.  He was convicted for a reason and belongs in prison instead of behind a bench.

[King Heffy]

13 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:

I think the bad part of that is not running a sports book but the part that he was fixing matches. 

 

Anyway I used that a bit before realizing it was a stupid argument. 

 

My main dislike of this hire is purely on JR and his nepotism where Tocchet was pretty much the heir apprent sice the off season just like Allvin. There was no serious coaching search done. That does not install confidence that management hired the best coach available especially given his coaching record and underachieving win above replacement stat. 

 

I know it is who you know rather than what you know but to me, knowing someone should end at getting one the interview rather than the job outright. 

The mob connections are the real issue for me. Regardless, it certainly showed JR's character issues when he pulls the BS he did with BB and then hires this jailbird.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

28 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Interesting Drancer chose to leave off the end of the quote:

 

I said, “Listen, I watch and know what’s going on. Sometimes you need to talk to someone outside the game, just to have another person to vent on. Here’s my number.” And he really appreciated it.

 

Those last couple sentences kind of change the context. Trotz was speaking about having seen what Bruce was going through, feeling sympathetic, reaching out, and offering his support during a tough time.

 

Without that context, the quote seems like the “I watch and know what’s going on” is purely in relation to the perception and desirability of the coaching job in Vancouver.

 

It wasn’t.

 

The article clearly states earlier on that Trotz not only didn’t want the Canucks job, he didn’t want any coaching job right now. 
 

Barry Trotz — the biggest name and best resume on the NHL coaching market, as has been the case since the spring — had no interest in coaching the Vancouver Canucks. Or any other team, actually. Even the ones who hadn’t spent the last few months firing their head coach, bit by excruciating bit. Trotz, who called Bruce Boudreau after Vancouver made it official on Sunday, says he wants to coach again. Soon. Just not right now. He’s got a vacation to take.

 

Now this isn’t to say that the way things were handled in Vancouver makes this team more attractive to big name talents. It doesn’t. And Trotz was open with some of his criticisms re: the communication (or lack thereof) between JR/PA and Boudreau. But it wasn’t like Trotz was actually saying Vancouver was off his list because of what happened to Bruce. Trotz isn’t really ready to take over any coaching right now (he’s about to go on vacation), and he definitely wasn’t ready six weeks ago (when he spoke to Bruce and made those comments about not wanting to take his job).

[EdgarM]

8 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Some are ok with his past misconduct, some aren't.  I'm not sure soap on a rope is what the players were hoping for when it comes to feeling safe in the room though.  The criminal history can't be in quotation marks.  He was convicted for a reason and belongs in prison instead of behind a bench.

 

4 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

The mob connections are the real issue for me. Regardless, it certainly showed JR's character issues when he pulls the BS he did with BB and then hires this jailbird.

https://thehockeynews.com/news/former-nhl-star-rick-tocchet-pleads-guilty-to-gambling-charges-1

 

The judge didn't see any reason for any jail time and the Mob stuff was not substantiated, get your facts straight. 

[King Heffy]

Just now, EdgarM said:

 

https://thehockeynews.com/news/former-nhl-star-rick-tocchet-pleads-guilty-to-gambling-charges-1

 

The judge didn't see any reason for any jail time and the Mob stuff was not substantiated, get your facts straight. 

I am sure absolutely no money changed hands to lead to that result.

[EdgarM]

2 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

I am sure absolutely no money changed hands to lead to that result.

You are entitled to your opinion but you were stating the other information as fact when it wasn't. Besides that, 2007 was a while back.

[24K PureCool]

8 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Interesting Drancer chose to leave off the end of the quote:

 

I said, “Listen, I watch and know what’s going on. Sometimes you need to talk to someone outside the game, just to have another person to vent on. Here’s my number.” And he really appreciated it.

 

Those last couple sentences kind of change the context. Trotz was speaking about having seen what Bruce was going through, feeling sympathetic, reaching out, and offering his support during a tough time.

 

Without that context, the quote seems like the “I watch and know what’s going on” is purely in relation to the perception and desirability of the coaching job in Vancouver.

 

It wasn’t.

 

The article clearly states earlier on that Trotz not only didn’t want the Canucks job, he didn’t want any coaching job right now. 
 

Barry Trotz — the biggest name and best resume on the NHL coaching market, as has been the case since the spring — had no interest in coaching the Vancouver Canucks. Or any other team, actually. Even the ones who hadn’t spent the last few months firing their head coach, bit by excruciating bit. Trotz, who called Bruce Boudreau after Vancouver made it official on Sunday, says he wants to coach again. Soon. Just not right now. He’s got a vacation to take.

 

Now this isn’t to say that the way things were handled in Vancouver makes this team more attractive to big name talents. It doesn’t. And Trotz was open with some of his criticisms re: the communication (or lack thereof) between JR/PA and Boudreau. But it wasn’t like Trotz was actually saying Vancouver was off his list because of what happened to Bruce. Trotz isn’t really ready to take over any coaching right now (he’s about to go on vacation), and he definitely wasn’t ready six weeks ago (when he spoke to Bruce and made those comments about not wanting to take his job).

I don't think what you quoted in the first changed any context. It was clear that Trotz reached out after all the media reports to give support irrespective of it being in Vancouver or not from what Drance quoted along. 

 

Also, if people are paying attention it was clear Trotz didn’t want any coaching job and given that he shared the same agent as Bruce, the chance of him coming here was already at 0. 

[King Heffy]

3 minutes ago, EdgarM said:

You are entitled to your opinion but you were stating the other information as fact when it wasn't. Besides that, 2007 was a while back.

Regardless, there are many coaches available without criminal records and without Tocchet's severe character issues.  There is a reason he had to delete his twitter and it isn't because he's a deeply private individual.  The guy is an absolute piece of *** and I am giving him literally the exact amount of respect he deserves: none.

[chon derry]

[48MPHSlapShot]

20 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Regardless, there are many coaches available without criminal records and without Tocchet's severe character issues.  There is a reason he had to delete his twitter and it isn't because he's a deeply private individual.  The guy is an absolute piece of *** and I am giving him literally the exact amount of respect he deserves: none.

I'm willing to bet that you don't actually care about Tocchet's "criminal history" and you're really just mad about Bruce. 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I'm willing to bet that you don't actually care about Tocchet's "criminal history" and you're really just mad about Bruce. 

I'd still be furious but I'd be willing to give any other coach a chance besides Quenneville.

[48MPHSlapShot]

6 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

I'd still be furious but I'd be willing to give any other coach a chance besides Quenneville.

[DeNiro]

37 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

They really are making this into a bigger story than it is.

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, 24K PureCool said:

I think the bad part of that is not running a sports book but the part that he was fixing matches. 

 

Anyway I used that a bit before realizing it was a stupid argument. 

 

Looking at it strictly on the hockey perspective. My main dislike of this hire is purely on JR and his nepotism where Tocchet was pretty much the heir apprent sice the off season just like Allvin. There was no serious coaching search done. That does not install confidence that management hired the best coach available especially given his coaching record and underachieving win above replacement stat. 

 

I know it is who you know rather than what you know but to me, knowing someone should end at getting the interview rather than the job outright. 

The word is cronyism not nepotism...   

 

Also, Tocchet was .524 and .529 in back to back years in Arizona coaching one of the worst teams in hockey.  Before he arrived, Arizona had years as low as .341.  Since he left they are at .348 and .372.  

 

I'd like to see him coaching with actual offensive talent before I judge him.  He brought in a couple of legend Dmen to help him so I am sure we will get much better on the D side of the game.  I realize he coached in Tampa for couple of years, but I believe it was Stamkos and Hedman's rookie seasons and the team wasn't fully established yet.

[Elias Pettersson]

26 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

They really are making this into a bigger story than it is.

It's the biggest story in hockey really.  Even bigger than #fartgate...

[24K PureCool]

1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

The word is cronyism not nepotism...   

 

Also, Tocchet was .524 and .529 in back to back years in Arizona coaching one of the worst teams in hockey.  Before he arrived, Arizona had years as low as .341.  Since he left they are at .348 and .372.  

 

I'd like to see him coaching with actual offensive talent before I judge him.  He brought in a couple of legend Dmen to help him so I am sure we will get much better on the D side of the game.  I realize he coached in Tampa for couple of years, but I believe it was Stamkos and Hedman's rookie seasons and the team wasn't fully established yet.

 

I was talking about wins above replacement. His record is slightly lower than the record of his team's true talent level. Win % is not part of that equation.