Popular Post Metal Face Doom Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) Too many people are hung up on the draft picks. If you want a true rebuild. You trade Petey and Hughes as well. Were not doing that. We are building around them. Edited March 2, 2023 by Metal Face Doom 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Drance: "Who sells 1st and 2nd round picks when they're 27th in the league in point percentage?!" He nails it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Hughes - ? ? - Hronek Dermott - Bear It's a decent start. More please. I like that as a start. So much better without OEL and Myers there. Im good with Dermott and Bear as stop gaps until we can develop some of our other guys like Pettersson, Johansson, Rathbone, Jurmo, Woo etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsbutcher Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I dont hate the trade but i would have been happier if it was just the first , throwing in the second seems a bit much 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 These are the RHD available in free agency on July 1. Tell me who is better than Hronek on this list? How were we supposed to fix the defence when only these guys were available for free? The only way to acquire a top 4 RHD was via a trade. Which is what we did. Unless you wanted to use the pick on Reinbacher and wait 5 years to see if he develops... 1. John Klingberg ANA 30 RD Right 50 8 16 24 0.48 -28 78 0.10 20:51 - - - - - M-NTC UFA $7,000,000 $7,000,000 2. Erik Johnson COL 35 RD Right 51 0 7 7 0.14 5 80 0.00 17:31 - - - - - M-NTC, NMC UFA $6,000,000 $6,000,000 3. Matt Dumba MIN 28 RD Right 59 4 9 13 0.22 -8 72 0.06 21:30 - - - - - M-NTC UFA $6,000,000 $5,200,000 4. Damon Severson NJD 28 RD Right 58 4 14 18 0.31 3 74 0.05 20:18 - - - - - UFA $4,166,666 $5,100,000 5. Kevin Shattenkirk ANA 34 RD Right 54 2 15 17 0.31 -14 113 0.02 18:18 - - - - - M-NTC UFA $3,900,000 $4,950,000 6. Travis Hamonic OTT 32 RD Right 60 3 8 11 0.18 -9 101 0.03 18:53 - - - - - UFA $3,000,000 $3,250,000 7. Radko Gudas FLA 33 RD Right 52 2 8 10 0.19 7 82 0.02 17:41 - - - - - UFA $2,500,000 $2,500,000 8. Justin Holl TOR 31 RD Right 59 2 11 13 0.22 14 42 0.05 20:56 - - - - - M-NTC UFA $2,000,000 $2,000,000 9. Scott Mayfield NYI 30 RD Right 64 5 12 17 0.27 3 91 0.05 20:51 - - - - - UFA $1,450,000 $2,000,000 10. Troy Stecher ARI 29 RD Right 60 0 7 7 0.12 -1 60 0.00 16:55 - - - - - UFA $1,250,000 $1,250,000 11. Anton Strålman BOS 36 RD Right 8 0 0 0 0.00 -3 3 0.00 15:22 - - - - - UFA $1,000,000 $1,000,000 12. Justin Braun PHI 36 RD Right 39 0 1 1 0.03 -1 30 0.00 15:34 - - - - - UFA $1,000,000 $1,000,000 13. Connor Clifton BOS 28 LD/RD Right 59 4 11 15 0.25 20 75 0.05 18:12 - - - - - UFA $1,000,000 $1,000,000 14. Trevor van Riemsdyk WSH 31 RD Right 62 6 11 17 0.27 9 68 0.09 18:37 - - - - - UFA $950,000 $1,000,000 15. Mark Pysyk DET 31 RD Right 0 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0.00 - - - - - UFA $850,000 $850,000 16. Luke Schenn TOR 33 RD Right 55 3 18 21 0.38 9 68 0.04 17:11 - - - - - UFA $850,000 $900,000 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, AnthonyG said: Yea okay so he had one bad draft…. You want to complain about drafting? Go look at how our boy JR and PA faired in PIT. You might regret your chirps for Benning having 1 bad draft where the guy he drafted 5th overall was derailed by injury, not IQ or hockey skills. It wasnt his play that made him a bust, it was injury. But hey what a bad pick Demko was, Petey, Hughes, Podz, Hogs, Boeser…. Just crap. Thanks a lot for nothing Benning you list 6 player 4 of which are 1st rounders. and yet you believe he did a good job. One bad draft lololololololololololol When ever I need a good laugh this place delivers in spades. you literally made my argument. the excuses lolololololololololol a 5th and a 6th busts back to back!! One bad draftlololololololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofvan Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Drance: "Who sells 1st and 2nd round picks when they're 27th in the league in point percentage?!" He nails it. Personally I would take Button's break down of the trade over Drance's...but to each their own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Timråfan said: I think you have a problem going forward as we’re about to leave the Benning dungeons behind us. Looking like Francesco will be keeping gates open for the new guys to join him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Drance: "Who sells 1st and 2nd round picks when they're 27th in the league in point percentage?!" He nails it. Yeah but who realistically thinks we're 27th with a season of healthy Demko? We lost a majority of our games through brutal goaltending and defense. This deal fixes a part of that. Bigger picture everyone! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Drance: "Who sells 1st and 2nd round picks when they're 27th in the league in point percentage?!" He nails it. A GM who hasn’t even made it through his first full season and is already feeling the pressure because he’s done nothing to improve the team that’s who… Hard to argue with that. Not only do bottom teams not trade picks at the deadline, they don’t trade for players that make their roster better when they should be tanking. The only way this makes sense to me is if they’re confident they can replace at least the 1st or 2nd round pick in a trade. You can’t come out and say we’d like to add more picks and then end up with less than you’d started with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Drance: "Who sells 1st and 2nd round picks when they're 27th in the league in point percentage?!" He nails it. “who sells “ ? A team preparing for next season , targeting a need , and a contract they can work with . So they traded a pick for a guy they could hope to develop in 2 -3 years from the draft. This player falls into the now and future timeline. It also “compliments “ the age and core we have as it move forward. They took the Hope out of the equation. Edited March 2, 2023 by SilentSam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, garthsbutcher said: I dont hate the trade but i would have been happier if it was just the first , throwing in the second seems a bit much At the draft I have a hard time seeing him costing this much TBH. If we traded a 2nd I would have been happy. If it was a 1st + 3rd for Hronek and 2nd I would have been OK. This is waaaay too much to give in a deep draft for this player with only one year left on his contract. I would have given up this for Carlo given the years left on his contract and how he is a better fit in terms of player type. Hronek looks like a pure OFD prone to mistakes who can play well with a rock solid partner. Hughes - Bear OEL - Hronek Dermot - Myers/Schenn This is still not a good defense, not even close. We had the opportunity to be patient. Like how we got Bear for a 5th or Ehrhoff for a 4th. Making a knee jerk trade like this given where we are is terrible. If the Canucks were the hottest team in 2023, and 10-1 post Horvat trade and right at the cusp of the wild card it would have made some sense. But given that this season is a throwaway I cannot make sense at all of paying such a premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 minute ago, combover said: Looking like Francesco will be keeping gates open for the new guys to join him JR said what they were doing. If you didn’t listen it’s on you. Younger, better, quicker and top RHD and it’s a retool with players in Petey and Hughes timeframe. Is that so hard to understand? So what has Fransesco with Petey and Hughes to do? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 minute ago, SilentSam said: “who sells “ ? A team preparing for next season , targeting a need , and a contract they can work with . So they traded a pick for a guy they could hope to develop in 2 -3 years from the draft. This player falls into the now and future timeline. It also “compliments “ the age and core we have as it move forward. It's continuing the mediocrity merry-go-round. Sure, it helps us now, but we don't need help right now. We need draft picks in this deep draft, a shot at Bedard, a shot at Celibrini next year, etc. This will improve our team (if he hits), but that will what, put us in midfield again and trying to squeak into the playoffs only to get bounced right away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, combover said: you list 6 player 4 of which are 1st rounders. and yet you believe he did a good job. One bad draft lololololololololololol When ever I need a good laugh this place delivers in spades. you literally made my argument. the excuses lolololololololololol a 5th and a 6th busts back to back!! One bad draftlololololololol Guess you cant read eh? Still havent put in any time to look at the statistics from 2 years ago, which are probably even better at this point. Take the toupee off, you’re balding, accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, RU SERIOUS said: What happened to the "Major Surgery" JR?????? This has Aqualini impatience & JB "Re-Tool" written all over it ! Canucks have been the most active team in the NHL trades. Traded their captain, and used pieces of that trade squire our 2nd best defensemen. I'm not a fan of every move, but it's hard to argue they aren't doing major surgery already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Metal Face Doom said: Too many people are hung up on the draft picks. If you want a true rebuild. You trade Petey and Hughes as well. Were not doing that. We are building around them. There was a way to keep both Petey and Hughes and still start drafting inhouse players for long term success. This management group just turned the page on that. As such we might as well just trade all our picks and go all in. There is a tiny chance this works but most likely we're just looking at another 8-10 years of futility. Maybe they'll finally do it right at that point but I doubt it. One thing is certain, our prospect pool, or lack there of is going to continue to hurt us down the road. We are going to have a lot of problems trying to fill out the roster with no prospect depth, and no cap space. We still need 4 more defenceman, a 3C, a 2C probably, a backup goalie, and some more quality in the bottom six. All this and we're currently a bottom 6 team. What a mess. Maybe Hronek turns into Bobby Orr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 250Integra Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 The new core: Pettersson Hughes Kuzmenko Hronek Demko This has been said dozens of times here but I'm supportive of this trade as it shows Pettersson and Hughes that the team is going to add the NECESSARY pieces to hopefully contend in a short time frame. We probably would've picked a D prospect with the Islanders pick (somewhere between 13-18) but in all honestly, that player is not going to be helping the team in any big way for at least 4-5 years. Hronek is already an established Top 2/4 defenseman in the league and he fills a hole that we sorely need: 1. He's a RD that is a tremendous skater 2. Great on the PP and provides a one-timer option that we've been missing 3. Young and entering the prime of his career. Imagine the team having two defenseman that can easily put up 50+ points in a season. What this team needs now is to find some complementary defensive d-man for our two young guns. Hopefully Myers is shipped out soon and OEL turns a corner. 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 55 minutes ago, ToTellTheTruth said: So McDavid will be traded, what for? Picks maybe? How long do picks take to become impact players? Dahlin was what 3 years? Hughes was 3 years? McVoy 2 years, Sergachev 2 years, any number of 21 year olds? You ignore the very players on this team time line's. With a proper plan and half decent, because that is all this team has had under Benning, drafting 2 to 3 years is not that much time, more thn that has been wasted on ready made players that failed on this team. Name two winning teams that did it without top draft picks on it? Who are the most important players on this team? Where did they come from? How many are there and where is the team in the standings? Watching young players skate in circles, isn't that what has been happening the last 7 years here? Horvat, then Boeser, then Juloevi, then Pettersson before he came, Hughes before he came and then one year for each. All done by accident without a plan and ended up aging out Horvat, Boeser and soon Pettersson and Hughes. Just WHO are they going to trade for these superior players? ALL THEIR DRAFT PICKS? And then miss out on an accidental Hughes or Pettersson in the draft? There wasn't before and will not be now any type of instant gratification, it is a long term plan. The cap does restrict some trades, if the team has it then trades can happen, if it doesn't have space then "TRADES ARE SO HARD IT IS DOLLAR IN AND DOLLAR OUT" which as demonstrated now is crud! If you want a real serious go at top pick, then you have to trade Petey, QH and Demko as they are too good to let the club sink to the bottom. They are not going to hang around waiting for picks to become game changers... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, combover said: you list 6 player 4 of which are 1st rounders. and yet you believe he did a good job. One bad draft lololololololololololol When ever I need a good laugh this place delivers in spades. you literally made my argument. the excuses lolololololololololol a 5th and a 6th busts back to back!! One bad draftlololololololol You have zero intelligent comments. You come here for laughs because you’re only capable of laughing and not having an IQ. You help make everyone feel smarter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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