Elias Pettersson Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) To Vancouver: Connor Murphy To Chicago: Oliver Ekman-Larsson Conor Garland Tanner Pearson Tucker Poolman Tyler Myers Nils Hoglander Jack Rathbone Aidan McDonough (rights) Chicago is $20 million under the cap floor. So, they need to make some moves to add alot of cap. We can help them to achieve that. We can give them the $20 million all in one fell swoop. Chicago won't even be a playoff team for at least 5 years, so all of this added cap will be gone from their books for when they are ready to make some serious moves. Not only can we help them to add the $20 million they need to hit the cap floor, we can also help ourselves by picking up a 6'4" RHD who can partner Hughes. Pinch me, because I can't believe this could be happening. We just freed up almost $20 million in cap space AND added a RHD to boot. What a wonderful day this will be. What will we do with all of that extra money? It will be Christmas in July!!! Even better, we just opened up 6 new contract spots for NCAA and European prospects!!!!!! Say hello to Jake Livingstone, Sam Malinski and a few other guys... But the best part? We don't need to buy out OEL any longer!!!! Who says no? Edited March 10, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Chicago could be picking up multiple firsts from other teams to take on that kind of cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 10, 2023 Author Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Chicago could be picking up multiple firsts from other teams to take on that kind of cap. Arizona got a 6th round pick to take on Jacob Voracek's $8.25 million contract for a year. They got a 5th round pick to take on Shea Weber's $7.85 million LTIR contract for 3 years. That's over $16 million in cap space for only a 5th and 6th round pick. In my proposal, they are getting 3 young prospects and Conor Garland, who is only 26 and can still play... Edited March 10, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Chicago is in a multi-year tank. Won't picking up Myers and OEL make them too competitive? Sorry, thought I could type that without cracking up. I can't. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 This is why Allvin was so confident about clearing cap. One move. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 33 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: To Vancouver: Connor Murphy To Chicago: Oliver Ekman-Larsson Conor Garland Tanner Pearson Tucker Poolman Tyler Myers Nils Hoglander Jack Rathbone Aidan McDonough (rights) Chicago is $20 million under the cap floor. So, they need to make some moves to add alot of cap. We can help them to achieve that. We can give them the $20 million all in one fell swoop. Chicago won't even be a playoff team for at least 5 years, so all of this added cap will be gone from their books for when they are ready to make some serious moves. Not only can we help them to add the $20 million they need to hit the cap floor, we can also help ourselves by picking up a 6'4" RHD who can partner Hughes. Pinch me, because I can't believe this could be happening. We just freed up almost $20 million in cap space AND added a RHD to boot. What a wonderful day this will be. What will we do with all of that extra money? It will be Christmas in July!!! Even better, we just opened up 6 new contract spots for NCAA and European prospects!!!!!! Say hello to Jake Livingstone, Sam Malinski and a few other guys... But the best part? We don't need to buy out OEL any longer!!!! Who says no? Chicago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 10, 2023 Author Share Posted March 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Chicago is in a multi-year tank. Won't picking up Myers and OEL make them too competitive? Sorry, thought I could type that without cracking up. I can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Arizona got a 6th round pick to take on Jacob Voracek's $8.25 million contract for a year. They got a 5th round pick to take on Shea Weber's $7.85 million LTIR contract for 3 years. That's over $16 million in cap space for only a 5th and 6th round pick. In my proposal, they are getting 3 young prospects and Conor Garland, who is only 26 and can still play... It's not only about cap space but also salary left to be paid. Weber is only owed 3x 1M with 80% covered by insurance - ie a total 600K. Voracek has 7.5M left in salary so 1.5M to be paid. Here you are dumping millions in salary. OEL alone is still owed over 25.5M by Vancouver. Chicago admit that they are tanking and want to get as many high draft picks as possible. Any team who wants to use them as dumping ground is probably going to have to give up futures. Would expect them to target LTIR contracts to reach the floor. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Take OEL out. Well maybe. Suppose there is a world where he waives if he's just going to get bought out. Allvin for GM if the year if he can manage this - but pretty sure we'd be adding this years first as well. They will use their cap and weaponize it. 20 million ... yes some bad contracts ... maybe instead we get Seth Jones (if he waives) in this deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 There is no chance Chicago would do this 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Contract slots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coho8888 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 https://www.bladeofsteel.com/NHL-may-close-the-loophole-being-used-by-the-Arizona-Coyotes-216480?fbclid=IwAR1qInkB3IZRfIaruxKcabwm4QC-oAUFG3iHljlop0ON2TvxZe5wfFBV-MY May or may not be significant but this may help us clear some cap as if implemented, teams will no longer be able to use LTIR trades to get to the cap floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Someone's trying to eat the whole elephant at once. Whatever happened to "small bites"? We don't really need to clear all the cap, and I think it would cost too much to do so. Chicago is under the cap for next year by quite a bit, but even that will be costly to unload a contract like OEL with so much salary remaining. We'd have a bit easier time with a smaller trade involving lower player salaries at a higher cap hit, like after July 1st, after bonuses are paid: To Chicago: To Vancouver: Myers @ 1y x $6m, $1m salary remaining Connor Murphy @ 3y x $4.4m, $14.6m salary remaining Pearson @ 1y x $3.25 $2.75m salary remaining (assuming injury insured?) Prospect + Mid round pick ($3.75m NHL salary for $9.25m cap hit) Even then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 11, 2023 Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 13 hours ago, IBatch said: Take OEL out. Well maybe. Suppose there is a world where he waives if he's just going to get bought out. Allvin for GM if the year if he can manage this - but pretty sure we'd be adding this years first as well. They will use their cap and weaponize it. 20 million ... yes some bad contracts ... maybe instead we get Seth Jones (if he waives) in this deal. I was thinking about Seth Jones. I am sure that Chicago would want to take him off the books for the rebuild. His contract is buyout proof and it's for another 7 years, so probably would be better just to ride everything out. Chicago probably wants a 1st rounder for this deal. I would be tempted to include our 2024 1st if OEL waived his NMC and Chicago agreed to the deal... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 This... I'm assuming is a joke at least, as funny and ironic as it would be to say that Chicago's our dumpster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 You’re not asking them to take $20m in cap hits. You’re asking for over $60m spread over 4 seasons. And you’re offering nothing of substantial value. This isn’t remotely realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Lol those 3 big contracts (OEL, Myers, Pearson) all have some form of clause... though if we really end the season well and we don't like any of the prospects, if we give up the 1st maybe we can incentivize Chicago enough to move a couple of them? (though that'd be a move reminiscent of dumping Beagle/ Roussel/ Eriksson). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 11, 2023 Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 On 3/9/2023 at 9:40 PM, mll said: It's not only about cap space but also salary left to be paid. Weber is only owed 3x 1M with 80% covered by insurance - ie a total 600K. Voracek has 7.5M left in salary so 1.5M to be paid. Here you are dumping millions in salary. OEL alone is still owed over 25.5M by Vancouver. Chicago admit that they are tanking and want to get as many high draft picks as possible. Any team who wants to use them as dumping ground is probably going to have to give up futures. Would expect them to target LTIR contracts to reach the floor. There are only so many LTIR contracts around that they can trade for that haven't already been traded. Seabrook seems to be the biggest one. After that, there isn't much left. Also, Chicago is currently almost $50 million below the cap floor for 2024. How are they going to collect $50 million in salaries in the next 2 years when they have no one of value to re-sign? At some point, they will need to sign roster players to fill the 23 spots. An LTIR contract covers the cap but doesn't fill the roster spot. Chicago has only 2 players signed for the 2024 season with over $50 million in cap space needed just to get to the floor. They are going to be facing a real dilemna in terms of how to ice an actual team in the 2024 season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: There are only so many LTIR contracts around that they can trade for that haven't already been traded. Seabrook seems to be the biggest one. After that, there isn't much left. Also, Chicago is currently almost $50 million below the cap floor for 2024. How are they going to collect $50 million in salaries in the next 2 years when they have no one of value to re-sign? At some point, they will need to sign roster players to fill the 23 spots. An LTIR contract covers the cap but doesn't fill the roster spot. Chicago has only 2 players signed for the 2024 season with over $50 million in cap space needed just to get to the floor. They are going to be facing a real dilemna in terms of how to ice an actual team in the 2024 season... There’s something called free agency. They could just overpay someone like Engvell, Gudas, Barbashev, etc to make the cap floor. Or trade their abundance of 2nd round picks for a project RFA who fit their timeline (ie. Sharangovich, Frost, Puljujaarvi, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 11, 2023 Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, shiznak said: There’s something called free agency. They could just overpay someone like Engvell, Gudas, Barbashev, etc to make the cap floor. Or trade their abundance of 2nd round picks for a project RFA who fit their timeline (ie. Sharangovich, Frost, Puljujaarvi, etc). Sure, they can sign some UFA's. However, who is going to want to play for them? They would need to overpay and add term for anyone to actually go there. Also, they would need to sign ALOT of free agents, not just one or two. How many UFA's do they want to overpay with term just to get to the 23-man roster limit? They need 21 more players just to get to a full roster in 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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