NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: So who replaces him as whipping boy ? OEL supplied the whip though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 23 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Is it possible to rebuy as a new franchise? If Aqua pays the $500 mil or 1 Bil whatever it is at least we could be as good as Seattle maybe. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 57 minutes ago, mll said: Other teams also have players that can be traded there. Niederreiter just went from Nashville to Winnipeg. Is Garland someone they see helping them in the post-season because that's the aim. Also Dubois is asking for about 9M. If a trade materialises whichever teams trades for him are going to have to send players back and likely more than 1 given his ask. Possibly also for Scheifele and Hellebuyck. Their contracts are high enough that teams might not clear enough by sending only 1 player back. Dubois might lessen his stance if he goes to a team he likes. 9m is saying , “I don’t want to be here unless you’re prepared pay me 9m” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, HKSR said: But doesn't OEL need to be replaced? I assume a top 4 LHD will be at least $4M per year for the next 4 years. That means $16M plus the $17M owed to OEL... $33M out of Aquilini’s pocket instead of $29M. So $4M extra cost overall. But OEL wasn't going to be playing in the top 4. He was going to be an anchor playing on the 3rd pairing where he could be replaced with someone making less than $2 million. So the cost is a wash. We get the cap space needed to get a legit top 4 Dman and then use the remaining money to pay the 3rd pairing guy whatever is left. \ At the end of the day paying a guy $7.26 million to play on your 3rd pairing for 4 years makes no sense. The buyout is actually a smart strategic move to get maximum cap space available this year and a good chunk next year and then allow some of our ELC contracts to make the club in years 3-4. Years 5-8 are irrelevant because if we are not a contender by then then the extra 4 years won't even matter... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 23 hours ago, King Heffy said: He's not on an 8 year rookie deal, and that was just an example to illustrate a real world example of the damage this will be doing to the team every single season. It is not a real world example of damage we can expect. The Canucks in no scenario last year, this upcoming year or further along are going to be paying more then minimum for a backup netminder. Martin was the sexy and popular signing for a cheap back up the prior off season, throw in a garbage year by a team struggling to defend and the starter gone to injury and what do you expect. Silovs make no mistake is the future starter here, Ian Clark has been licking his chops on this kid since day one in the organization. He is not going to require a 2,3 deal at a caphit in the $ 2m plus range until he pushes Demko right smack in the middle of $ 4m penalty years of 25/26 and 26/27 and then guess what ? the penalty goes back to $ 2 million per. All the while the salary cap will be at that time around $ 100 million. Its a nice story but it is not crippling in any way, this move is not ideal but it brings a resolution to a problem on this team and brings this management group closer to building their defense. This is the same crap, tiring yet comical that gets spewed after any move by the team by a segment of "fans" here who think the team has no idea what it is doing and question or belittle every move then go on to complain about the next issue so they can complain when a move is made to resolve it and so on lol. Yawn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: But OEL wasn't going to be playing in the top 4. Wasn't he? 6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: He was going to be an anchor playing on the 3rd pairing where he could be replaced with someone making less than $2 million. Was he? The guy played well enough in his first season here. Had a bad last season, on a bad foot, as did many a player. If they are going to dump everyone that had a bad season, last year, there will be a lot more movement before training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, HKSR said: But doesn't OEL need to be replaced? I assume a top 4 LHD will be at least $4M per year for the next 4 years. That means $16M plus the $17M owed to OEL... $33M out of Aquilini’s pocket instead of $29M. So $4M extra cost overall. That's not the math they used. They used WAR stuff ... as in basically Brisbois to do their math. My math says this: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 3:02 PM, MattWN. said: year 3-4 is when you'd expect this team to be firing on all cylinders (if things go as planned) having nearly 5 million dollars less to spend than all our opponents is going to be a real uphill battle. Exactly, just incredibly naïve and shortsighted. Are we the only team that just decides they think they can win the Cup a year after being in the basement for 3 seasons, having no prospects of importance to add to the team, the worst defence and PK in the league, and are so impatient they need to self sabotage themselves 3 years in the future? Like they're just braindead, maybe Arizona thinks they can win the Cup next year too. No they're not that stupid. It's so blatantly obvious this team is exactly situated to be competitive in 3-4 seasons as is the natural progression of sports. A five year old could see this. My Gawd the stupidity is outlandishly stupendous. At least this season will be exciting for a week or two until we're eliminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted June 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Gawdzukes said: Exactly, just incredibly naïve and shortsighted. Are we the only team that just decides they think they can win the Cup a year after being in the basement for 3 seasons, having no prospects of importance to add to the team, the worst defence and PK in the league, and are so impatient they need to self sabotage themselves 3 years in the future? Like they're just braindead, maybe Arizona thinks they can win the Cup next year too. No they're not that stupid. It's so blatantly obvious this team is exactly situated to be competitive in 3-4 seasons as is the natural progression of sports. A five year old could see this. My Gawd the stupidity is outlandishly stupendous. At least this season will be exciting for a week or two until we're eliminated. OEL can’t help us win. You don’t buy him out and we have a 7.25 mil cap hit for a third pair D. Neither option is great. At least they can now try and find a 2.5 mil D man that actually fits the style they need and helps us win. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Gurn said: Wasn't he? Was he? The guy played well enough in his first season here. Had a bad last season, on a bad foot, as did many a player. If they are going to dump everyone that had a bad season, last year, there will be a lot more movement before training camp. Do you honestly think they would have bought him out if there was even a chance he would be playing in the top 4? Having a bad season on a bad foot? Ask @Bob.Loblaw to show you his stats when he played for Arizona. He was already in decline when we traded for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: OEL can’t help us win. You don’t buy him out and we have a 7.25 mil cap hit for a third pair D. Neither option is great. At least they can now try and find a 2.5 mil D man that actually fits the style they need and helps us win. This was the action the Canucks should have taken with LE, this or send to Utica… where he would not have lasted 2 seasons. other teams do it,. It’s not a reflection on the franchise, but more the players true value. Edited June 17, 2023 by SilentSam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Do you honestly think they would have bought him out if there was even a chance he would be playing in the top 4? Having a bad season on a bad foot? Ask @Bob.Loblaw to show you his stats when he played for Arizona. He was already in decline when we traded for him. These are the same guys that signed Brock to a 3 year deal- so yah, I feel fine questioning their decisions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, Gurn said: Wasn't he? Was he? The guy played well enough in his first season here. Had a bad last season, on a bad foot, as did many a player. If they are going to dump everyone that had a bad season, last year, there will be a lot more movement before training camp. He’d play in the top 4 but not well. Hes about to be 32. Somehow I don’t see a Karlsson like resurgence in his future. Regardless he just doesn’t fit what they’re trying to build. Tocchett wants big mobile D men that play with an edge like Vegas. That’s who Allvin will try to bring in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) Now that the Canucks have cap space I ponder how the Canucks can fill some holes. One idea involves PIT. I dont think the Granlund trade is very popular there. Canucks could use their capspace to take him on and maybe squeeze out Joseph Pierre-Olivier (who I think Myers was quite impressed by). What the Canucks would send back Im not sure. Or, a Garland/M. Pettersson swap perhaps? Edited June 17, 2023 by Angry Goose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, RU SERIOUS said: So who replaces him as whipping boy ? Isn't it always the coach. "The core is great blah blah blah ... it's just the coaching" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxqhfeh Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 It's just a starting, at least two more big moves before the session starts, I expect they will avoid a 10 mil plus contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, MattWN. said: He's getting paid 20 million to do nothing, I'm sure he's okay with it. Now he can get paid even more to play in whichever city he wants (granted they're interested). He's the only winner here. He would have gotten paid $30 million to do nothing if we hadn't bought him out. He defends like Erik Karlsson and he doesn't put up the points to justify keeping him even as a top 6 D. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Alflives said: How did buying out OEL make us worse? Benning is no longer our GM. His stain is being removed. I guess if you use a bowl of spaghetti as stain remover. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) On 6/16/2023 at 3:08 PM, Pears said: There are only two iffy years and the rest we’re dinged with a cap hit of $2.1 million. If the cap is going up over the next few years as much as we think it’s going to go up, then it’s almost a non issue. lol have you paid attention the least 6 years ... you honestly think our cap is going to be a non issue going forward? It sounds as ridiculous as the last 50 times posters have said this up to and including last year and only last week. Yet here we are 11th worst in the league with the biggest payroll, over the cap, and stuck not being able to improve an extremely mediocre roster. People really have to stop with the cap is going up so we're fine routine. It's not fine. Edited June 17, 2023 by Gawdzukes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, Gurn said: Wasn't he? Was he? The guy played well enough in his first season here. Had a bad last season, on a bad foot, as did many a player. If they are going to dump everyone that had a bad season, last year, there will be a lot more movement before training camp. OEL is 31. Even if he was injured most of f last season do you expect him to fully return to form prior to his injury. Plus his skating has already been problematic when he was in Arizona. His foot injury is going to make this worse long term. I think that's the problem people here. People seem to expect the best case scenario with our players that they will recover and return 100% after an injury. Even if the player is in his 30's And that's the fallacy Benning (and people here for that matter ) has, we always anticipate the outcome to be the best case scenario 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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