The Cap, the Roster, and Where do we go from here

[RakuRaku]

As things stand right now with virtually zero cap space, we'll be alright under 4 BIG If's:

 

a) If Studnicka suddenly and somehow become an effective 3C for us. Blueger is only an effective shutdown 4C!!

b) Myers suddenly becomes a real force replacing OEL's role but...... that's highly unlikely... 

c) Hirose proves to be a F/T NHLer on 3rd pair

d) Pearson comes back 100% effective as our 3rd line power winger

[Gawdzukes]

1 hour ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

Even though we're paying him the bulk of his contract he still has a cap hit of $6M.  Even if we retain half I feel like teams can find other, better options.

Maybe they find better options maybe they don't. There are a lot of moves yet to be made by teams league wide. Timing is good if some team needs a last second pivot. Worst case he's here for the duration of the year. Myers providing a physical prescience, maybe with Hirose playing 18 min a night on the third pair is where he belongs. Maybe he even provides value in that type of role. I always liked him on Winnipeg when he filled that role behind Bufuglien, and Trouba.

 

In a year Myers and Cole are UFA and we should be hunting for a player to line-up with Quinn.

[ilduce39]

Once again this team finds itself on the precipice of being in great shape cap-wise if we’re just a little patient.

 

Myers, Beauvillier, Pearson, Cole and Bleuger all off the books in a year.  Expected big cap increase.

 

Yes, we’ll need to hand out a few raises… but there’s opportunity to add one or even two big core pieces. 
 

I won’t cry if we do make another move or two - but standing pat on this roster isn’t the worst thing in the world either.

[canuckleheads fan]

I can't believe mgmt couldn't move Miller. I know their goal is to make the playoffs this year, but he is beyond our window in two years and at that time his cost will far outweigh his benefit. I understand holding onto Boesser to see what he can do with a healthy, focused summer of work, but Garland also needs to go. With Garland and Miller gone, they would have lots of room under the cap. They're talking about locking down Petey long-term but with WHAT MONEY?

[Nuxfanabroad]

Employ the almighty, trusty, tried-&-true, cap-shoehorn, until both need & payoff come together. Other teams will also encounter injuries, eventually fulfilling our acceptable range of trade-return. If not, bite bullet.

 

IF our stars are as good as we figure, & Tocch's/staff coaching-bump is maintained, there is no reason for us to forego patience.

 

After the brutal hit(!) we took from the OEL fiasco, we have to employ patience & moneyball/maximize every single asset wherever possible.

[Provost]

No cap relief in the foreseeable future.  The entire cap increase next year will be taken up by Petterson’s raise.  Hronek and Podkolzin raises, plus finding an other 3rd pairing D to replace Myers

 takes up all the Myers freed up money.

 

We then start hitting the bigger OEL penalty, so that will eliminate most or all of the benefit of cap increases for those years.

 

 

[greenbean30]

12 minutes ago, Provost said:

No cap relief in the foreseeable future.  The entire cap increase next year will be taken up by Petterson’s raise.  Hronek and Podkolzin raises, plus finding an other 3rd pairing D to replace Myers

 takes up all the Myers freed up money.

 

We then start hitting the bigger OEL penalty, so that will eliminate most or all of the benefit of cap increases for those years.

 

 

While Petey is definitely in for a big raise, that will take up the majority of the Cap increase. Podz is not due for much of a raise at all, unless he takes a huge step this year. Hronek will take about 2-3m of Myers cap coming off the books.

So we will still have 6-7m+ to play with easily after this season for next year.

 

But yeah, 25-26 and 26-27 where we have a $4.76m cap hit, that's going to hurt bad.

[Ted Lasso]

1 hour ago, ilduce39 said:

Once again this team finds itself on the precipice of being in great shape cap-wise if we’re just a little patient.

 

Myers, Beauvillier, Pearson, Cole and Bleuger all off the books in a year.  Expected big cap increase.

 

Yes, we’ll need to hand out a few raises… but there’s opportunity to add one or even two big core pieces. 
 

I won’t cry if we do make another move or two - but standing pat on this roster isn’t the worst thing in the world either.

I like this medium term view, place holding $6-7M for EP and FH raises, while maintaining flexibility for next season to take another step forward.
 

Whatever moves we make, hopefully we keep this focus. 

[Dixon Ward]

I find the fans and media very frustrating.  Everyone agrees the Canucks need to fix the D.  The right side is very weak and the left needs work.  They said you have to do whatever it takes to improve it.  They make a bold move and get Hronek, a caliber of defenseman that is very hard to get in his prime.  Most people crap on this.  They say you need to build through the draft and not spend picks.

 

They draft Willander, a smart, skilled, high iq rhd with size who is an excellent skater, and many bitch that they wanted Benson a small, skilled forward at a time when they all want to trade Garland for D.

 

They say we need grit and more defensive-minded D as Hughes and Hronek will take care of the offense.  Enter Soucy and Cole on very acceptable contracts, and the media says we've cornered the market on 5/6 dmen and we should be bolder. This after crapping on the Hronek deal and with very limited cap space.

 

This GM has brought in:

Bear (due to unfortunate circumstance gone), Soucy, Hronek, Cole, Wolanin, Johanssen, Hirose, Willander, Brzustewicz, Hirose, McWard.

 

Developed much better:

Brisebois, Juulsen, Woo

 

Even if Myers is still here we have a much more balanced, bigger, experienced d for the start of the season and a much more promising group of prospects and AHLers.  

 

With a good structure and Demko getting off to a hot start, I think things are looking up!

 

Go Canucks Go!

[Bure2Win]

If Myers is still on this team come opening night i'm out!

[Provost]

3 hours ago, greenbean30 said:

While Petey is definitely in for a big raise, that will take up the majority of the Cap increase. Podz is not due for much of a raise at all, unless he takes a huge step this year. Hronek will take about 2-3m of Myers cap coming off the books.

So we will still have 6-7m+ to play with easily after this season for next year.

 

But yeah, 25-26 and 26-27 where we have a $4.76m cap hit, that's going to hurt bad.

Petey $3 million

Podkolzin $1 million

Hronek $3 million

Replacing Myers’ roster spot with a basic veteran D likely not even as good as Myers $2 million

$2.2 million addition to the OEL penalty

 

= $11+ million in cap to just hold and not improve.

 

$6 million in Myers coming off the books, an anticipated $4 million cap increase doesn’t cover that.

 

If the cap goes up another $3 million the year after, $2.4 million of that is taken up just by the extra OEL penalty that year when it moves up to over $4 million.

 

 

 

Edited July 3, 2023 by Provost

[D.B Cooper]

46 minutes ago, Provost said:

Petey $3 million

Podkolzin $1 million

Hronek $3 million

Replacing Myers’ roster spot with a basic veteran D likely not even as good as Myers $2 million

$2.2 million addition to the OEL penalty

 

= $11+ million in cap to just hold and not improve.

 

$6 million in Myers coming off the books, an anticipated $4 million cap increase doesn’t cover that.

 

If the cap goes up another $3 million the year after, $2.4 million of that is taken up just by the extra OEL penalty that year when it moves up to over $4 million.

 

 

 

Beau, Blueger, Cole, Myers, Pearson and a couple more.  
Over 20 mill in cap space, plus whatever the cap goes up.  
Petey add 3, Hronek add 3

Hopefully Podz gets a raise. 
I still see 13+ million to fill out the roster, and after next year we have a couple kids who should start seeing some ice time. 

[combover]

if he’s able Move Myers garland and pearson would be good. 
 myers and pearson if they can stay healthy will have decent value at the TDL expiring rentals.

 

garland is the odd man out he needs to be moved the sooner the better 
 

PAs done a nice job so far this off-season 

 

 

 

[Ted Lasso]

3 hours ago, Dixon Ward said:

I find the fans and media very frustrating.  Everyone agrees the Canucks need to fix the D.  The right side is very weak and the left needs work.  They said you have to do whatever it takes to improve it.  They make a bold move and get Hronek, a caliber of defenseman that is very hard to get in his prime.  Most people crap on this.  They say you need to build through the draft and not spend picks.

 

They draft Willander, a smart, skilled, high iq rhd with size who is an excellent skater, and many bitch that they wanted Benson a small, skilled forward at a time when they all want to trade Garland for D.

 

They say we need grit and more defensive-minded D as Hughes and Hronek will take care of the offense.  Enter Soucy and Cole on very acceptable contracts, and the media says we've cornered the market on 5/6 dmen and we should be bolder. This after crapping on the Hronek deal and with very limited cap space.

 

This GM has brought in:

Bear (due to unfortunate circumstance gone), Soucy, Hronek, Cole, Wolanin, Johanssen, Hirose, Willander, Brzustewicz, Hirose, McWard.

 

Developed much better:

Brisebois, Juulsen, Woo

 

Even if Myers is still here we have a much more balanced, bigger, experienced d for the start of the season and a much more promising group of prospects and AHLers.  

 

With a good structure and Demko getting off to a hot start, I think things are looking up!

 

Go Canucks Go!

Åman

[JamesB]

27 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

....

I still see 13+ million to fill out the roster, and after next year we have a couple kids who should start seeing some ice time. 

The key to future cap flexibility is getting young guys who can play as their cap hits are low. 

 

One thing that JR and PA have done is to greatly improve the Prospect pool. It is still not great but it is much, much better than it was.  

when JR took over in December of 2021. 

 

I just checked the Hockey Writers list of the top Canuck prospects at the beginning of the 2021 season:

 

1. Podkolzin -- still a good prospect, but projecting now as naybe a good two-way third line winger.

2. Rathbone -- unlikely to ever be an NHL regular

3. Juolevi -- will never be an NHL regular (was traded in Oct. 2021)

4. Di Pietro -- unlikely to ever be an NHL starter or backup.

5. McDonough -- has chance to become a bottom-6 NHL winger.

6. Gadjovich -- NHL fringe player.

 

That was after seven years of "building" under Benning. It was one of the two or three worst prospect pipelines in the NHL.

 

Now the Canucks have a true "A" prospect in WIllander, who looks like a very solid prospect to be a top 4 NHL defencemen.

They have three very good "B+" prospects in Silovs, Lekker, and Raty.

They have a bunch of good "B" prospects like Podz, Hogz, D-Petey, Brzustewicz, Broom, Sasson, Bains, Hirose, McWard, Klim, etc. 

Guys like Rathbone and McDonough would probably not make the top 10 even after two more years of development. 

 

This pool is probably still slightly below the NHL average, but it is a lot better than it was. 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

9 hours ago, JamesB said:

The key to future cap flexibility is getting young guys who can play as their cap hits are low. 

 

One thing that JR and PA have done is to greatly improve the Prospect pool. It is still not great but it is much, much better than it was.  

when JR took over in December of 2021. 

 

I just checked the Hockey Writers list of the top Canuck prospects at the beginning of the 2021 season:

 

1. Podkolzin -- still a good prospect, but projecting now as naybe a good two-way third line winger.

2. Rathbone -- unlikely to ever be an NHL regular

3. Juolevi -- will never be an NHL regular (was traded in Oct. 2021)

4. Di Pietro -- unlikely to ever be an NHL starter or backup.

5. McDonough -- has chance to become a bottom-6 NHL winger.

6. Gadjovich -- NHL fringe player.

 

That was after seven years of "building" under Benning. It was one of the two or three worst prospect pipelines in the NHL.

 

Now the Canucks have a true "A" prospect in WIllander, who looks like a very solid prospect to be a top 4 NHL defencemen.

They have three very good "B+" prospects in Silovs, Lekker, and Raty.

They have a bunch of good "B" prospects like Podz, Hogz, D-Petey, Brzustewicz, Broom, Sasson, Bains, Hirose, McWard, Klim, etc. 

Guys like Rathbone and McDonough would probably not make the top 10 even after two more years of development. 

 

This pool is probably still slightly below the NHL average, but it is a lot better than it was. 

But Mike Gillis!

[Mando27]

Don't think they have to do anything, if a trade comes along for Boeser/Garland or Myers that they can't refuse then of course go for it. Last thing this team needs is to give away more assets to dump players. Doubt we can compete this year but next year they should be able to make a decent push if they are just patient.

Edited July 3, 2023 by Mando27

[alt kilgore]

13 hours ago, Bure2Win said:

If Myers is still on this team come opening night i'm out!

I guess we all have our hills to die on.

 

 

[Wanless]

There’s been a lot of changes to the team over the last 2 seasons. Coaching staff, management team, coaching staff, core player moved out, new look D and young players looking to make the jump.

 

Its time now to sit on what we have and evaluate where the strengths and weaknesses are.

 

If there are moves to be made, trying to offload one of Beauvillier and Garland is obvious and even possibly moving Poolman to a team that needs to get to the floor or one that wants the LTIR relief

 

Aside from that I think Myers needs to stay, he wont be relied on as top right side guy anymore and even pushing him down to 4th D. Im also really curious to see how he responds next year to having a full year with Tocchet and Foote to help him become a more consistent physical force.

 

This year should be about this roster learning to play the new systems and style and potentially new roles as well as creating a definite identity. This will help any new players who join the roster to find out how they fit in

[Nucker 67]

13 hours ago, Bure2Win said:

If Myers is still on this team come opening night i'm out!

I disagree