EdgarM Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 49 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: This. He shouldn’t have to take a pay cut to accommodate the other 3 who aren’t taking a pay cut. Not sure why some here can’t grasp this. ......because the others were OVERPAID in the first place genius! I actually agree with others in that he is probably worth more then the others. He is , however ,asking for too much. Like I said, I wouldn't take any of these guys if I want to win, although WN is the best of the bunch because he actually produces when it counts, in the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, stawns said: Though I agree, who do you consider to be in that range? In reference to our team I would consider Petey at the 10M range and Petey is a superior player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 27 minutes ago, canuckwings said: I'm surprised Vegas isn't in the mix already lol. Cap doesn't exist for them. Toronto seems to have cap exemption as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 36 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: He is if Tavares Marner and Matthews are 11+. Not so much Tavares when he signed his last contract but Marner and Mathews are much better, especially Mathews. Far more than a 10% in salary spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Nylander to Minnesota. He is moved out West. They sign him to 8.5 million over 8 years (can't be making more than Kaprizov). Toronto gets in return: Brock Faber and 2024 1st (unprotected) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 40 minutes ago, grandmaster said: In reference to our team I would consider Petey at the 10M range and Petey is a superior player. Petey at $10m is a dream, imo 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, stawns said: Petey at $10m is a dream, imo I would hope that 10M x 8 years could get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, grandmaster said: I would hope that 10M x 8 years could get it done. He doesn't seem to have the same character issues as Double Flamingo at least. I don't see him as being the type of guy who would quit on his teammates to force management to give him more money than he's earned, unlike Nylander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, stawns said: Petey at $10m is a dream, imo Minimum 11 per. Cap rising next season and EP and his agent know it. He's worth at least 11, most likely 11.5 per. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 17 minutes ago, rekker said: Minimum 11 per. Cap rising next season and EP and his agent know it. He's worth at least 11, most likely 11.5 per. Book it. And Aqua will have no problem handing that out too if that is the figure. I think he’s all in on EP, especially given what happened in CGY 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 22 minutes ago, rekker said: Minimum 11 per. Cap rising next season and EP and his agent know it. He's worth at least 11, most likely 11.5 per. Agreed.......maybe he surprises us though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grandmaster Posted July 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2023 18 minutes ago, rekker said: Minimum 11 per. Cap rising next season and EP and his agent know it. He's worth at least 11, most likely 11.5 per. I have a sense Petey wouldn’t chase after every scrap of Cap space just like JT. These guys seem like good team players. 1 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 22 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: I think the Leafs will trade Nylander and try and keep Matthews. What does Matthews want? He needs a new contract for next year too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 5 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Yeah, that's not how that works when players negotiate deals. And I don’t care who’s on your wishlist. He has a valid point and comparable for a raise. It's not whether Tavares deserves his contract. He does. The issue with the Leafs is that their cap structure is poor. When they only had Matthews, Marner and Nylander at the top of the line up, they were pushing it with 3 very large contracts and then Dubas added Tavares which sealed their fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 hour ago, grandmaster said: I have a sense Petey wouldn’t chase after every scrap of Cap space just like JT. These guys seem like good team players. They want to win. They love winning and hate losing. Lucky to have them. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 5, 2023 Author Share Posted July 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Crabcakes said: What does Matthews want? He needs a new contract for next year too $14 million… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 12 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: It's not whether Tavares deserves his contract. He does. The issue with the Leafs is that their cap structure is poor. When they only had Matthews, Marner and Nylander at the top of the line up, they were pushing it with 3 very large contracts and then Dubas added Tavares which sealed their fate. I'm not entirely sure if it's poor, per se. Top-heavy for sure, but one where you can still fill the rest of the roster with decent talent. At their best, the big three are worth every penny. 60 goals, 120 points, without being weak defensively? Imagine if they were that deadly in the playoffs (spoiler - they weren't). Dubas was pretty good at filling the roster with cheap players like Giordano, Bunting, and Jarnkrok. Even Samsonov was cheap. And of course, a 40-goal forward who played well in the playoffs earning an affordable $6.7M. What you can't do is fill the roster with more high-end players. Domi is fine, but they simply can't afford Klingberg/Bertuzzi. Solid contracts but no cap space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 3 hours ago, EdgarM said: ......because the others were OVERPAID in the first place genius! I actually agree with others in that he is probably worth more then the others. He is , however ,asking for too much. Like I said, I wouldn't take any of these guys if I want to win, although WN is the best of the bunch because he actually produces when it counts, in the playoffs. Whether they’re overpaid or not means nothing, they set the bar. They took no discounts so why should he to stay there? If he leaves Toronto market changes for him, between cap and what he does this coming season will show where he falls there. But ZERO reason he shouldn’t settle for less than 10 to stay in Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bob.Loblaw said: I'm not entirely sure if it's poor, per se. Top-heavy for sure, but one where you can still fill the rest of the roster with decent talent. At their best, the big three are worth every penny. 60 goals, 120 points, without being weak defensively? Imagine if they were that deadly in the playoffs (spoiler - they weren't). Dubas was pretty good at filling the roster with cheap players like Giordano, Bunting, and Jarnkrok. Even Samsonov was cheap. And of course, a 40-goal forward who played well in the playoffs earning an affordable $6.7M. What you can't do is fill the roster with more high-end players. Domi is fine, but they simply can't afford Klingberg/Bertuzzi. Solid contracts but no cap space. Klingberg is iffy but Bertuzzi is also very good value for one year, he's going to play for a contract. I'd take him any day over Brock. Edited July 5, 2023 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) One thing that Nylander, and his agent know, is 10 in TO is like 8.5 in six US cities, and 9 in another dozen or so. If he really wants his money, someone will give him 8.5-9 x 7 or 8 if they trade for him, and he knows that. If I was TO, would consider getting ahead of this, and at least get something while they can. Although maybe it's worth it to them to keep him, you know in a contract year he's going to push hard. Edited July 5, 2023 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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