mugiwara Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 How can we get vegas 1. Or doch you think its impossible? With another First we can draft a point producing def. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: I agree with this, but I don't know if any team is willing to trade us a #2 oa... every team that is likely to get it needs it too. Unless Colorado is willing to do something like their pick straight up for Tanev I don't see any other trade that Jim could manufacture. Tanev is not in the age group they are targeting. They want guys who will grow with their new core of Jost, Rantanen and MacKinnon. Everyone else is available including Barrie, Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 44 minutes ago, Fanaholic said: A better question is why didn't the CANUCKS start this nightmare 2 years ago? BLAME OWNERSHIP 2 years ago the owner, president, GM, coach and 95% of fans thought this was still a good team and could be rebuilt on the fly. Hell, half the fans STILL think this is a good team that can or is being rebuilt on the fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: Patrick won't save us, he's got a ton of health problems and will most likely be a bust by 25. Crosby saved Pittsburgh. Because of him there started being asses in the seats again in steel town. Performance wise, it took malkin, letang, Fleury + The health troubles are an issue to be seriously looked at. He seems to be fine since his return this year. That does not mean he will be able to deal with the rigors of the nhl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, canucklehead80 said: Horvat was being pegged as a 3C early on by a lot of people. Looks like that projection was just a little wrong. I'd take a high end 2C projection at this point. Would give us more weapons down the middle. They're all predictions and guesses at this point. I don't remember anyone projecting him as a 3rd liner. He was taken 8th overall. He was projected to be great defensively, that was wrong. He's actually a good offensive player instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 6 hours ago, teepain said: What do you guys think about that? Saved from what? Stupidity from fans? Apparently not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanaholic Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: 2 years ago the owner, president, GM, coach and 95% of fans thought this was still a good team and could be rebuilt on the fly. Hell, half the fans STILL think this is a good team that can or is being rebuilt on the fly. THE PROBLEM is the building is full of people who are not even FANS. REAL FANS get it. I could not have said it better than you and if I could give you 10 likes I would! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 We still have to make up for the lost ground in the previous 3 drafts. But it would be a great start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: 2 years ago the owner, president, GM, coach and 95% of fans thought this was still a good team and could be rebuilt on the fly. Hell, half the fans STILL think this is a good team that can or is being rebuilt on the fly. I would push that 2 year figure back at least a year, probably 2. Torts call it for what it was and his message was not well received by most fans and obviously not by management. It did not change the reality that following that season Linden-Benning-Desjardin arrived. I can appreciate the idea of rebuilding through a vet structure. When I was calling for a rebuild in 2012 it was with the idea that selected vets would be moved out for a desired rebuild of the prospect pool. Most on here did not accept the idea as CUP contention was still high. 'Rebuild on the fly' is how the Canucks will evolve going forward. Canucks can not expect that top 3 pick that will be a generational talent, like a McDavid, that will led the franchise. Success falls more and more on Benning's ability to assess talent, acquire that talent and develop that talent. Last night against the Oilers we can all appreciate the challenge that a McDavid will present for years to come. To me the full story is the size and speed of that roster. The Canucks are no where near big enough or fast enough up front. The Western Conference, because of travel, requires bigger and more durable players. Rebuild on the fly is progressing well IMHO. Benning is looking for size to compliment the smaller forwards. I expect more of the same next year. A similar finish as the Twins wind down and the young players gain experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead80 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: I don't remember anyone projecting him as a 3rd liner. He was taken 8th overall. He was projected to be great defensively, that was wrong. He's actually a good offensive player instead. I remember it being thrown around. Always wondered why myself. Maybe just all the Eastern 'Nuck haters, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 LOL...this is the Canucks we are talking about, and little Bettman's golden franchise Las Vegas is going to be in the draft lottery - we aint winning nothing. Ill be over joyed if we get a top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Yeah I think adding one of Hischier/Patrick could definitely make this team alot better going forward. As bad as we are right now, we've been missing key players most of the year & there are still young players coming that could really help. The team is probably in a bit better state than it felt like watching the game last night, especially if we can get one of those top 2 picks. Put me in the "yes" camp. We might not be saved overnight but it would set us up to be in a much better situation than we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 No. Need more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: I don't remember anyone projecting him as a 3rd liner. He was taken 8th overall. He was projected to be great defensively, that was wrong. He's actually a good offensive player instead. Horvat was projected late 1st round 10th to 14th and higher by most, Craig Button had him at 19th overall http://www.mynhldraft.com/2013-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings He was chosen 9th overall by us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycanuckleheads Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Let's just put it in perspective... The best we could ever hope for with a 1st overall pick - is the equivalent of a Sedin. Most of the time you'll get a player who's worse, and occasionally you'll get a player who's better. But, you hope for another Sedin. Would the addition of one Sedin improve our team very much right now? Nope. Not in the slightest. We'd still be one of the worst teams in the league. We'd still have an AHL quality team (thanks Jim!). Oh yeah, and we are about to lose TWO Sedins over the next couple of seasons as it is! And, we almost surely aren't going to get anything of value for them. So, if one new Sedin wouldn't help us, and we are about to lose 2 more, that means we need at least 3 new Sedins. But, as we mentioned earlier, that doesn't even help us. That just gets us the equivalent of adding one right now. We need like 4 or 5 Nolan Patricks, not 1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 2 hours ago, CeeBee51 said: And why do we always have to drop positions in the lottery? Lotteries have always sucked for the Canucks. All the way back to having to draft Tallon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Might be a year to grab a defenseman and save the first line centre pick for next draft when we could be at the bottom.If the centre we draft is second tier this year then what? If next year we get a true number one where does this years pick play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 41 minutes ago, mll said: Tanev is not in the age group they are targeting. They want guys who will grow with their new core of Jost, Rantanen and MacKinnon. Everyone else is available including Barrie, Johnson. Sure, but Tanev gives them solid D for years and a chance to develop the back end, he'd be a great fit for that and as a mentor, and if they are thinking 2-3 years instead of 5-6 for a "window" then he fits that timeline as well (realistic or not). Personally I think the best fit by far for Tanev is.. ugh... Toronto. But they'll never cough up his actual value in a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Do you think that things are really so bad that we need to be "saved"? It's not like we are in danger of folding, relocating, or falling into a Oileresque 10 year playoff drought. Our 1st round pick will certainly help us this year, but we are far from being in need of being saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, westcoast said: Might be a year to grab a defenseman and save the first line centre pick for next draft when we could be at the bottom.If the centre we draft is second tier this year then what? If next year we get a true number one where does this years pick play. No, we pick the best player available. Drafting for need is part of the reason we're in this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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