Sam Gagner | C/W

[aGENT]

44 minutes ago, combover said:

I don’t think its what peoples expectations  that’s the problem it’s the fact he’s as expected yet  another third line perimeter player that doesn’t go to the net doesn’t hit and doesn’t create anything.huh sounds like an expensive Chaput. he’s been largely ineffective for the main reason he was signed PP and there’s are guys like goldie Boucher Rodin  lebate archibald and possibly gaunce that aren’t getting in because we have yet another veteran floater. When gaunce conditioning stint is over he’s up or on waivers then it’s  brumistrov whos most likely out who has also out played gagner so the 3mill is what keeps him in the line up nothing else.

1 year at 3 mill to watch him float around the perimeter or sit in the pressbox as depth would have been ample, 3 years is awful. 

Wonder how you’ll feel about him in three years when hes even less effective (hard to imagine)and still holding a roster spot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've played all 12 games. I'm not ready to declare anyone anything. 

 

Our pp is actually better than last year so far fwiw. And while he hasn't found the net perhaps as much as you'd like, he's not a perimeter player. I quite frequently see him make good plays, in all three zones, while very much in the mix. 

 

I'll feel about the same as about him as I do now. He's cheap, versatile depth who we'll eventually move. 

[Canorth]

Had a strong game last night, IMO. Very noticeable on the forecheck.

[-AJ-]

4 hours ago, Canorth said:

Had a strong game last night, IMO. Very noticeable on the forecheck.

Agreed. He looked good out there.

[Tre Mac]

He's definitely looking more comfortable out there.  I think by the 30 game mark he should be fully acclimated to his new club and coach.

[higgyfan]

1 hour ago, Tre Mac said:

He's definitely looking more comfortable out there.  I think by the 30 game mark he should be fully acclimated to his new club and coach.

Yeah, I noticed him a lot last night.  He was skating well and much to my surprise, was laying out some pretty good hits.  I would have rather a shorter term (2yrs), but he doesn't have an NTC, so that makes the contract more realistic.

 

With the way this team piles up injuries, we need the depth and versatility that Gags offers.

[Boudrias]

2 hours ago, higgyfan said:

Yeah, I noticed him a lot last night.  He was skating well and much to my surprise, was laying out some pretty good hits.  I would have rather a shorter term (2yrs), but he doesn't have an NTC, so that makes the contract more realistic.

 

With the way this team piles up injuries, we need the depth and versatility that Gags offers.

The fact that Gaunce is coming back up cannot be lost on Gagner. Gagner, Burmy, Virtanen are all on the bubble. The Twins should be as well but that isn't happening. 

[WHL rocks]

Put him on the 2nd unit PP with Vanek and Baer. That's why he was signed, he had good year on PP with CBJ. 

 

HIs shift time has dropped considerably over the past 3 games. 19 shifts in all 3 games but went from 15+ mins to 10 plus mins. 

 

Looks like coach Green doesn't like his energy level and is cutting his shifts shorter. 

[Boudrias]

7 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

Put him on the 2nd unit PP with Vanek and Baer. That's why he was signed, he had good year on PP with CBJ. 

 

HIs shift time has dropped considerably over the past 3 games. 19 shifts in all 3 games but went from 15+ mins to 10 plus mins. 

 

Looks like coach Green doesn't like his energy level and is cutting his shifts shorter. 

Gagner upped his game prior to Gaunce's return but it has no consistency. To many forward vets IMHO. Vanek is outplaying Gagner.  

[combover]

18 gp. 6points  and a +/-  of -5

 

brumistrov 15   4  +1

 

not a fan of gagner has a good shift here and there isn’t a “pp specialist” is pretty ineffective most of the time. When he hits it’s usually him that gets taken out of the play.nucks have better options in the pressbox and farm.

Another meh player that wouldn’t be missed if he was sat or out of the line up.

 

 

[JM_]

Checking out Gagner's stats trying to figure out what the difference is this year to other years, and pretty much the only thing that stands out to me is our teams on ice shooting percentage is way down when he's on the ice and his personal point share is in the toilet, but his personal shots per game percentage is right around where its always been as well as his possession numbers (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/g/gagnesa01.html). He had the same pattern with PHI. But in Edmonton and CBJ he was a better performer. 

 

Makes me wonder if moving Bear to his line is Green trying to spark something with Gagner? Initially I thought it was all about getting a spot for Goldy but now Ii'm wondering if its both. Seems like Gagner is very line mate dependent so hopefully this works and doesn't drag down Baer. 

 

 

[-AJ-]

46 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Checking out Gagner's stats trying to figure out what the difference is this year to other years, and pretty much the only thing that stands out to me is our teams on ice shooting percentage is way down when he's on the ice and his personal point share is in the toilet, but his personal shots per game percentage is right around where its always been as well as his possession numbers (https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/g/gagnesa01.html). He had the same pattern with PHI. But in Edmonton and CBJ he was a better performer. 

 

Makes me wonder if moving Bear to his line is Green trying to spark something with Gagner? Initially I thought it was all about getting a spot for Goldy but now Ii'm wondering if its both. Seems like Gagner is very line mate dependent so hopefully this works and doesn't drag down Baer. 

 

 

Well Baer was on a few pointless games before he was moved and has continued to struggle since being moved. He has 0 points in his last 6 games and is -6. Gagner seems to be playing a bit better though.

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

Well Baer was on a few pointless games before he was moved and has continued to struggle since being moved. He has 0 points in his last 6 games and is -6. Gagner seems to be playing a bit better though.

yah Baer's disappeared offensively, but he's always been streaky. I guess there aren't many options though, and I think Burmy is going to lose his spot to Goldobin unless he needs to fill in at C if Bo's out for a bit and Sutter isn't back.

[Hairy Kneel]

Why 3 years Jim?

[Boudrias]

20 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Why 3 years Jim?

I was scratching my head over that one at the time. Gagner was coming off a decent season but I did not think any other team would have been fighting to sign him. I can see the idea of a transition C but Gagner has never impressed me even on a fundamental basis. He has some skills but always seems a tad slow on responding to the play. One of those 1/2 second guys to late.

[Lancaster]

While the season is still far from over.... I admit that I'm totally off about Gagne. I predicted that he would be close to PPG and playing alongside Horvat and Baertschi.  

A player in his prime, clean sheet, and the possibility of playing with many skilled players.... just nothing seemed to materialize for him. 

 

The effort is usually there..... but he just seems off.  

[PhillipBlunt]

4 hours ago, Boudrias said:

I was scratching my head over that one at the time. Gagner was coming off a decent season but I did not think any other team would have been fighting to sign him. I can see the idea of a transition C but Gagner has never impressed me even on a fundamental basis. He has some skills but always seems a tad slow on responding to the play. One of those 1/2 second guys to late.

1 year at $850,000 should have done it.

 

Like you say, I don't think many other teams were really prepped to get into a bidding war over a streaky, flaky player like Gagner. Not sure what Jim's reasoning was.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

4 hours ago, Boudrias said:

I was scratching my head over that one at the time.

 

Yep I was too and when I expressed my concern that 3 years isn’t ideal and that two would have been better Jb’s defense crew felt the need to argue page after page with me telling me I was wrong. Yet no one wanted to take my friendly wager that he’d be under the 40 point mark. 

 

Theres a reason he’s bounced around the league so much despite putting up some decent numbers. He needs extreme sheltering to produce and he doesn’t offer a whole lot in other areas. I thought he was a decent stop gap but would be unessesary heading into year 2

of his contact. A rebuilding team can only shelter so many players. I’d rather it be our youth making the pro transition being sheltered than a 28 year old stop gap

 

[J-23]

Big hit and OT goal tonight. Keep it up man.

[Rob_Zepp]

On 12/12/2017 at 10:50 AM, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

Yep I was too and when I expressed my concern that 3 years isn’t ideal and that two would have been better Jb’s defense crew felt the need to argue page after page with me telling me I was wrong. Yet no one wanted to take my friendly wager that he’d be under the 40 point mark. 

 

Theres a reason he’s bounced around the league so much despite putting up some decent numbers. He needs extreme sheltering to produce and he doesn’t offer a whole lot in other areas. I thought he was a decent stop gap but would be unessesary heading into year 2

of his contact. A rebuilding team can only shelter so many players. I’d rather it be our youth making the pro transition being sheltered than a 28 year old stop gap

 

You and this term.  No one is being "sheltered".    Moreover, whatever it is you think that term means, "sheltered" players most certainly are not playing in 3 on 3 overtime situations.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

30 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

You and this term.  No one is being "sheltered".    Moreover, whatever it is you think that term means, "sheltered" players most certainly are not playing in 3 on 3 overtime situations.

isn’t it sad that I can’t tell if you’re being serious or just trolling.