dKs89 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Sure, but why should we fall? We've been moving upwards in both the last two seasons and have a full season of Hughes next year. Our best players are all still very young and are likely to continue improving. I don't see a good case (outside of guessing at worse injuries than the last two years), that we'll be worse next year. The case is that people can see the future. They just know despite all of what you mentioned, plus things changing in the NHL as a whole that the Canucks simply can't get better. It's the Canucks so that means it's for sure a lottery pick even though we added a top 4 D, and a top 6 forward to a team that was already climbing it's way out of lottery contention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Horvat .33 points per minute Miller .30 points per minute. Horvat plays against top pairings. Miller plays against bottom pairings. Not saying Miller is bad, just it's silly to compare him to Horvat IMO. Would you trade Horvat for Miller straight up? Edited June 22, 2019 by CanadianRugby 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, mpt said: Horvat, if Miller plays as well as Horvat, its worth the trade. I like the player, don’t like the trade. If he plays as good as Horvat, I’ll change my opinion To be fair, on the offensive side alone, Miller was at Horvat's level from 2016-2018 (High 50s in points). In Tampa, he played a more defensive role and dropped a bit. I would expect him to rise back up to his level that he was at in New York. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, Generational.EP40 said: Still waiting, with all due respect. I'll humour you. But first of all, consequences? Like I just said, you've no way or knowing what that pick will be or what the ramifications will be. All we know right now is we're giving up a first rounder this coming draft or the next and we don't know if that'll be a consequence yet or a pick well spent. Zucker is widely rumoured to be available but as a western team it'd cost us more than an eastern team. They wanted Boeser, that's a bit more than asking for a 1st. They're also very different different players. There's a danger in throwing away numerous first round picks as opposed to one. As for Barrie there's no guarantee Colorado's committed to moving him. They've ample cap space and a great prospect system, they've really got no reason to. They're in a good spot and I could see him signing an extension. Our being a western team comes up again too. Teams in the same conference generally pay more of a premium when acquiring players from rivals. Again, there's danger in throwing away numerous picks. We've acquired Miller and we'll likely move LE and look at addressing our D in some fashion. We're banking on internal improvement as well from the youth. Hughes is an addition. I'd like to see Stralman. I don't imagine we're done yet. I'd personally argue that you've got to balance trying to add pieces through trade/ufa and the draft. We've still got to think about the future while trying to be more competitive and those pieces are almost always found by drafting them. Spending a bunch of picks just to chase the playoffs as opposed to a cup is reckless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) Just now, mpt said: Players are more than points You are right.... Miller does a lot more than just put up points. Edited June 22, 2019 by coryberg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, Maketherightmove said: This will be a trade that is universally hated in 2 years time and looking back on this thread will be hilarious. JT Miller is not a needle moving player. You don’t use a first and third to acquire this. Absolutely bizarre move for a team with many holes still to fill. pretending you can predict the future is a risky game. You have just as much chance of looking bad in 2 years. Of course, instead of coming to better conclusion of "taking extreme positions is bull$&!#", you and many others on here prefer "my extreme position is correct". And then in a couple of years the people who were wrong will quietly forget, while being super emotional and certain about whatever move is being done on that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Miller should go full heel and demand to wear number 10 for the whiners here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Quinton Howden Just saying. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: Horvat .33 points per minute Miller .30 points per minute. To be fair Miller was on a very stacked team that won the president trophy... Then again they completed the biggest choke job in nhl history so.... Whatever, we going for the freakin cup! Cup or Bust! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 This move seems more like a desperate attempt to make the playoff.. if you are tossing in a 1st I rather we go for like a Zucker.. realistically which of the 8 teams that's in the playoff are we even better than? Dallas? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, -AJ- said: To be fair, on the offensive side alone, Miller was at Horvat's level from 2016-2018 (High 50s in points). In Tampa, he played a more defensive role and dropped a bit. I would expect him to rise back up to his level that he was at in New York. Horvat played against top players, Miller didn’t 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, Coconuts said: There's a danger in throwing away numerous first round picks as opposed to one. Again, there's danger in throwing away numerous picks. Could you clarify what that risk is? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 minute ago, coryberg said: You are right.... Miller does a lot more than just put up points. Against much worse competition than Horvat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, mpt said: Horvat played against top players, Miller didn’t I don't have info on Miller's usage and didn't watch Tampa games. Do you have info to back up that claim? Genuinely curious as I'd like to learn more about Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Miller should go full heel and demand to wear number 10 for the whiners here Or #69 for the JB lovers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I'm still expecting a trade for a defenseman. The Barrie deal could still happen, but if fans didn't like giving up a 1st, I'm guessing they're not gonna like giving up guys like Virtanen, Gaudette, DiPietro, and Woo. A deal involving Stecher, Sutter, a top prospect, and a 2nd could still happen. I hope so. The Canucks will once again be a bottom team once again if they don’t. Edited June 22, 2019 by grandmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 2 hours ago, CanuckGAME said: It's a good thing we dont have to worry about that here. I just spit my drink out when I read this LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Just now, Generational.EP40 said: Could you clarify what that risk is? Herpes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) lol at people crying about a conditional 2020 1st for JT MIller, when Toronto gave a conditional 2020 1st just to give up Marleau. Miller is not a cap dump, he is a 26 year old 50 pt player with good size and positional flexibility. Marleau is a cap dump. I could see Miller become a borderline pt per game player. He got 18 pts in 19 games after being traded to Tampa. Then he got 47 pts despite playing on the 3rd line. I doubt Tampa Bay would have tied the record for wins without Miller playing on the 3rd line and power play. They were a stacked team, and the cost is giving up good players because that kind of success is not sustainable. I doubt they liked the idea of giving up Miller, who is signed to good money and term. We might not make the playoffs in 2020, but we will in 2021. Edited June 22, 2019 by NaveJoseph 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wilfred said: even though we added a top 4 D, iirc we retained Edler so unless there was another top 4 ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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