-Vintage Canuck- Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RetroCanuck Posted August 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2019 At this point a Goldobin-Puljujarvi swap may be fair. Id probably do it 1 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coconuts Posted August 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2019 I hope he sticks to his guns and refuses to return to Edmonton. Finally, a top pick of the Oil trying to taking his fate into his own hands. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I heard that Holland asked Rutherford for Bryan Rust and he hung up the phone 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Everyone not named yakupov taken by the oilers out of college or in the draft that's left has gone on to do well. You just know Pool Party is a 70+ point player in another jersey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted August 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2019 Summer is over in Edmonton, and the POOL is closed for the season. 1 2 16 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 this is a good move for JP.. he can work on getting his mojo back playing in a decent league. and gives the finger to the Oil for treatment received. on the other hand, the oilers don't give in to the demands of a player that they don't feel has earned anything. and they don't give away a potential gem for peanuts. different details, but it kind of reminds me of the Drouin situation - get your $#!t together and play like the high end pro you are supposed to be, or piss off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Alflives said: Summer is over in Edmonton, and the POOL is closed for the season. Sounds like McDavid's knee rehab has not been going well either . I think they are drowning in the pool right about now . https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/traikos-how-is-connor-mcdavids-knee-healing-depends-on-whom-you-ask Edited August 27, 2019 by cuporbust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Willis mentioned that Holland waited out Hudler in Detroit - he went to play in the KHL for a year. Athanasiou was a more recent case where he missed the start of the season. Don't think Puljujarvi is going to get his wish. It's a new GM and a new coach. Not sure either that other teams are just going to want to hand him the top-6 role he is apparently demanding. Hitchcock asked Chiarelli to recall him because he wanted a hand in his development and expected him to be in the top-6 within a month. Not sure all the blame falls just on Edmonton. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1040s wet dream that this was Juolevi instead. I'd be interested in Benning picking him up, but only if he stayed in Finand the entire year. Kid needs a reset. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: 1040s wet dream that this was Juolevi instead. I'd be interested in Benning picking him up, but only if he stayed in Finand the entire year. Kid needs a reset. We won't be trading for him and asking him to stay the year in Finland. Likely he will play out the year in Finland, then we explore acquiring him. Perhaps if we get a healthy Sutter this year, then next offseason Edmonton considers the move as we would likely have Gaudette ready to go by then too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: 1040s wet dream that this was Juolevi instead. I'd be interested in Benning picking him up, but only if he stayed in Finand the entire year. Kid needs a reset. Maybe Pool needed to acclimate to the smaller ice (way faster game to process) and spend the last two seasons in the minors? I like your idea that Pool should stay in Finland this season. I still think he will need more than just a reset though. I think he has learn to process the how fast the game is on the small ice. I just don’t know how that happens? Isn’t their a KHL team with a NA rink now? If we traded for him, could we loan him to that KHL team for a season without him needing waivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 minute ago, theo5789 said: We won't be trading for him and asking him to stay the year in Finland. Likely he will play out the year in Finland, then we explore acquiring him. Perhaps if we get a healthy Sutter this year, then next offseason Edmonton considers the move as we would likely have Gaudette ready to go by then too. I think a team will take a chance on him though, and before December 1. One of the bottom feeder teams will take a chance on him. Ottawa? Arizona? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: I think a team will take a chance on him though, and before December 1. One of the bottom feeder teams will take a chance on him. Ottawa? Arizona? But at the price they're asking for? I'm not sure what it is, but if it was cheap, it would've been done already. Carolina never made the deal for Nylander and Nylander almost missed the year (and should have). Puljujarvi will be a cheaper acquisition in terms of contract numbers, but Edmonton likely isn't going to sell him for anything less than a 1st or a high end prospect similar to Puljujarvi. Would Ottawa or Arizona want to take on that gamble on a guy that hasn't proven much thus far? Most of the guys that were traded from Edmonton and flourished elsewhere have generally at least put up decent numbers with Edmonton in the first place, but their system as a whole didn't allow those guys to excel as a team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 hour ago, RetroCanuck said: At this point a Goldobin-Puljujarvi swap may be fair. Id probably do it I'd do Goldobin, a 4th round pick, and a conditional 2nd (based on performance - 15 or 20 goals maybe?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 minute ago, theo5789 said: But at the price they're asking for? I'm not sure what it is, but if it was cheap, it would've been done already. Carolina never made the deal for Nylander and Nylander almost missed the year (and should have). Puljujarvi will be a cheaper acquisition in terms of contract numbers, but Edmonton likely isn't going to sell him for anything less than a 1st or a high end prospect similar to Puljujarvi. Would Ottawa or Arizona want to take on that gamble on a guy that hasn't proven much thus far? Most of the guys that were traded from Edmonton and flourished elsewhere have generally at least put up decent numbers with Edmonton in the first place, but their system as a whole didn't allow those guys to excel as a team. Good point. And there is no reason for Holland to take a poor offer too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: Maybe Pool needed to acclimate to the smaller ice (way faster game to process) and spend the last two seasons in the minors? I like your idea that Pool should stay in Finland this season. I still think he will need more than just a reset though. I think he has learn to process the how fast the game is on the small ice. I just don’t know how that happens? Isn’t their a KHL team with a NA rink now? If we traded for him, could we loan him to that KHL team for a season without him needing waivers? is smaller ice the issue? or was he just given crappy line mates? he's not a play driver or a massive shooter like Laine, he's going to be a complimentary piece, so he's got to be with good players. That alone should drop his value imo from his draft spot. If Holland is trying to get some return based on that... good luck to you sir. he reminds me of Jake in the WD years, kind of a lost fart with some potential. He needs a coach like Green and good line mates, but we don't really have the space right now to give him that, so thats why i'd just park him in Finland for most of this year. But that might sour the kid even more. Dunno, but as of now its a disaster that Holland hasn't found any solution for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 48 minutes ago, Alflives said: Summer is over in Edmonton, and the POOL is closed for the season. Where does the nickname “poolparty” come from anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Good point. And there is no reason for Holland to take a poor offer too. He certainly needs to set the tone here as the new GM. He can't be a pushover to the players' demands and he can't be a pushover to the GMs wanting to lowball him. Puljujarvi hasn't been a key figure for the team so far, so as far as the team is concerned, he's not important enough to cater to. Edmonton simply needs to push on with Benson and Yamamoto for the time being as the prospects to develop and insulate them with some proper veterans. I'll be glad if Edmonton bites the bullet here for their team and for the league for players that will see this as an option. Something that Toronto should've done with Nylander. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, mll said: Not sure all the blame falls just on Edmonton. sure it does. Even if it doesn't, it does from my perspective For context, this is what we did with Palmu. Edmonton did mismanage this kid from the start, they misread his actual ability level, stick him on lousy lines, and yo-yo'd him between the NHL and AHL. Just look at the lines he was on: https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/jesse-puljujarvi When he was with McD he scored well. With RNH did OK. Otherwise train wreck. He needs quality line mates to be effective, not unlike many players (look at Loui e.g.) so I don't know what Edmonton was hoping for by putting him with Lucic and Strome. Edited August 27, 2019 by Jimmy McGill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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