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50 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said:

A bit too rich for my liking.  Shouldn't have gotten a penny more than what Mangiapane got, IMO.

 

Meh, not the worst deal though.

Interesting comment today  regarding Gaudette.... "Even after putting up 33 points in 59 games — a better scoring rate, it should be noted, than Jake Virtanen,"

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You could tell throughout the season Myers and Virtanen were building a strong relationship.  Perhaps no one in the past has been willing to do so, but maybe Tyler is the conduit to help Virt.  I know Milsy has worked with Jake on his game on ice, but seems like Myers has taken the off ice duty which I think could be just as important than the on ice stuff.

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He's saying the right things... Now time to follow that up with some bonafide actions and results.

 

Nothing would makec coaches management, teammates and fans happier than Jake coming in to camp as one of the fittest guys and working his arse off in practice and in games.

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If Jake is in fact training with Myers every day, then that's a great sign.  Myers might not play at the level we generally wish he could, but I don't think conditioning has really ever been an issue for him.  Jake doesn't need to become Rod Brindamour but if he is putting this kind of work for next season, then I'm optimistic about at least seeing an improved on-ice performance next year.  The wildcard is always the development between the ears and whether Jake can stay focused and play consistently.  Having consistent training with Myers may be a good step towards that.

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4 hours ago, Fred65 said:

Interesting comment today  regarding Gaudette.... "Even after putting up 33 points in 59 games — a better scoring rate, it should be noted, than Jake Virtanen,"

Leivo also had a better production rate.  Virtanen was the 11th best PPG on the team and 9th best forward.

 

Jake has earned every bit of skepticism thrown his way.  It is up to him to prove he isn’t the player he has shown himself to be for the last 5 years.  He has been “about to break out” every year since being a rookie.

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18 minutes ago, Provost said:

 Virtanen was the 11th best PPG on the team and 9th best forward.

This page shows Jake as the 7th best points per minute player on the team

http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?report=scoringRates&reportType=game&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=20192020&dateFromSeason&gameType=2&playerPlayedFor=franchise.20&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=pointsPer605v5&page=0&pageSize=50

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13 minutes ago, EternalCanuckFan said:

If Jake is in fact training with Myers every day, then that's a great sign.  Myers might not play at the level we generally wish he could, but I don't think conditioning has really ever been an issue for him.  Jake doesn't need to become Rod Brindamour but if he is putting this kind of work for next season, then I'm optimistic about at least seeing an improved on-ice performance next year.  The wildcard is always the development between the ears and whether Jake can stay focused and play consistently.  Having consistent training with Myers may be a good step towards that.

I honestly think his supposed lack of 'IQ' gets over blown. I mean he's not the missing Sedin but...

 

His problem has always been his commitment/conditioning which then leads to an inability to be consistent both within a game (caught on a long shift, later in a hard game etc)

and from one game to the next (inability to stay consistent game to game in compressed schedule etc).  

 

And have you ever tried to make calm, clear and intelligent decisions while violently gasping for oxygen? Basically impossible. (And here's where I note that two of the so called smartest Canucks ever, were also two of the best conditioned... No coincidence)

 

It all shows up in his performance from game to game and trends over a season or even multiple seasons.

 

IMO it all stems from his lack of commitment and conditioning. If he were only to address that, it would ripple down through all his supposed weaknesses. Better conditioning = more able to play consistently shift to shift, even playing more minutes (the coach now trusts you with) or with the odd long/hard shift. Better able to recover and be consistent game to game. Better able to make smart puck decisions/plays when not light headed and gasping for breath.

 

It's not rocket science. That horse just needs to actually drink after being led to water so many &^@#ing times!

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44 minutes ago, Provost said:

Leivo also had a better production rate.  Virtanen was the 11th best PPG on the team and 9th best forward.

 

Jake has earned every bit of skepticism thrown his way.  It is up to him to prove he isn’t the player he has shown himself to be for the last 5 years.  He has been “about to break out” every year since being a rookie.

You missed out a few facts. This season among forwards Jake was 6th in points, 5th in goals (3rd in goals/60 among forwards with more than 20 games), 4th in points/60 among forwards with at least 20 games, 3rd in hits, second in takeaways (first in takeaways/60) and first on the team in game winning goals. But I see that you managed to find and focus on one stat that doesn't have him in the top 6. That seems a bit disingenuous.

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

He's saying the right things... Now time to follow that up with some bonafide actions and results.

 

Nothing would makec coaches management, teammates and fans happier than Jake coming in to camp as one of the fittest guys and working his arse off in practice and in games.

I agree. He tends to say the right things but there’s a reason why actions speak louder than words.

 

Just half a year ago, half the team was busting its arse in bubble pre-season while Jake was partying at celebs. 
 

In other words, I’ll believe it when I see it. 

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53 minutes ago, gurn said:

Points per game isn’t the same as points per minute played.

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59 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I honestly think his supposed lack of 'IQ' gets over blown. I mean he's not the missing Sedin but...

 

His problem has always been his commitment/conditioning which then leads to an inability to be consistent both within a game (caught on a long shift, later in a hard game etc)

and from one game to the next (inability to stay consistent game to game in compressed schedule etc).  

 

And have you ever tried to make calm, clear and intelligent decisions while violently gasping for oxygen? Basically impossible. (And here's where I note that two of the so called smartest Canucks ever, were also two of the best conditioned... No coincidence)

 

It all shows up in his performance from game to game and trends over a season or even multiple seasons.

 

IMO it all stems from his lack of commitment and conditioning. If he were only to address that, it would ripple down through all his supposed weaknesses. Better conditioning = more able to play consistently shift to shift, even playing more minutes (the coach now trusts you with) or with the odd long/hard shift. Better able to recover and be consistent game to game. Better able to make smart puck decisions/plays when not light headed and gasping for breath.

 

It's not rocket science. That horse just needs to actually drink after being led to water so many &^@#ing times!

For the record, I wasn't meaning that he has low hockey IQ.  It was more about maturity, which is connected to conditioning.

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1 hour ago, EternalCanuckFan said:

For the record, I wasn't meaning that he has low hockey IQ.  It was more about maturity, which is connected to conditioning.

Yeah sorry, that wasn't really directed specifically at you. Your post just encouraged a bit of a rant out of me :lol: More of a spring board than a counterpoint!

 

And yes, his maturity has damn near everything to do with his conditioning and that ripples out to his consistency (lack thereof) and supposed lack of IQ.

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2 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

As I said last summer for Jake, Ill state again as my mantra for Jake this upcoming season.  I'm less concerned with the goals, points, and numbers statistically, I'm more concerned in Jake's process to the game.

 

Yes we need to see production follow, but considering that his consistency from a shift to shift basis waivers so widely, I just want to see him put things together consistently. Skating hard, getting hard on the forecheck, winning puck battles, being conscientious defensively, and being a thorn in the side of the opposition is what I would consider a huge win in his development.

 

I just want him to be consistent, be a predictable entity where you can count on him to just simply perform, where numbers and production can be the next step in worrying about for him.  Yes I want him to score, advance into the top six, and just pile up the numbers, but its got to start from a baseline of dependence and consistency.  Travis Green has shown time after time he will play guys who may not be the most skilled, but bring the most consistent efforts shift after shift and game after game.  People are perplexed why Eriksson, Sutter, Motte, Beagle get more mins than Jake, its simply because they try on each shift and each game.  They might not give you a whole lot offensively, but you can depend on them to bring what they bring.  

 

Hard work generally leads to numbers and opportunities most of the time.  That needs to be Jake's focus, be consistent and dependable.  

Yep, get the process right and the points will come.  It sure would be nice to see Virtanen step into the hole left by the departure of Toffoli.  Opportunity is there for the taking.  I hope he's finally figured out that it's go time.  We'll see.  Go Canucks Go!  

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