canuckledraggin Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 15 minutes ago, J.R. said: Not doubting you per se but that references reentry waivers, which no longer exist. Is that from an old CBA? Pretty sure that's the current deal https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers-faq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 So Try in for Larsen next game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Elliotte Freidman wrote this earlier today about Tryamkin. Wish we had more professional journalists like him here Vancouver who report the facts and leave their personal opinions in-check so as not to distort situations, or start fires that burn team fan bases. Tired of the Grand Poohbahs of radio and paper alike thinking they can Captain a ship, let alone build one. Freidman reports these facts: With some time to make a few calls, here’s what I can glean on Vancouver defender Nikita Tryamkin. He has admitted he made a mistake by showing up out of shape. That disappointed the Canucks who were counting on him after he showed real promise in last season’s 13-game NHL debut. The club wanted him to stay in B.C. all summer, but he needed to go home for legitimate personal reasons. (Agent Mark Gandler declined to comment, saying only, he “doesn’t have a problem with how Vancouver is handling this” and didn’t want to inflame the situation.) Canucks' Tryamkin is like Chara version 2.0 There is an agreement in his contract that says he can go back to Russia if the Canucks want to send him to the AHL, and he remains steadfast on that point. GM Jim Benning did try to negotiate a deal with Tryamkin’s KHL club, that the player could go back as long as he’d return if Vancouver needed him, but that was a non-starter for Yekaterinburg. So, he’s practicing to get in shape. The one thing everyone seems to agree on is that the Canucks are going to need him and soon. They are already hurting on the blue line, and history shows they need 12 defencemen a year. 4. In a search for creative solutions, one agent suggested Vancouver asks Tryamkin to go to the AHL for a conditioning stint, with a promise that he will be in the NHL lineup on a certain date. He wondered if that would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 People are worrying far too much about the "Tryamkin situation" IMO. It is what it is. He'll get in to shape. We'll have injuries. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 31 minutes ago, J.R. said: People are worrying far too much about the "Tryamkin situation" IMO. It is what it is. He'll get in to shape. We'll have injuries. Highly likely you are right. Since Tryamkin can opt out back to the KHL at anytime I cannot see the problem of playing 2 weeks in Utica. Not being able to 'sell' that to him by management is not positive. Bottom line is this is not a playoff team and the time to develop Tryamkin is well worth the effort. Tanev, Beiga, Erickson and Stecher are not big enough to stand up to NHL regular season let alone playoff hockey. I am not suggesting that they cannot play but the existing d-core has to get bigger. It is so obvious to me that NHL teams playing Van still want a physical game as they know that doing so is their best way to win. Regular season play simply confirms this situation and playoffs amplify it as per the Calgary series. Also think this is a reason why Virtanen is still here and not in Utica where he needs to be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 23 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Highly likely you are right. Since Tryamkin can opt out back to the KHL at anytime I cannot see the problem of playing 2 weeks in Utica. Not being able to 'sell' that to him by management is not positive. That's really the issue IMO. Not sure if it's a communication issue or what though. Really, his agent etc need to get through to him on that point. He's either getting bad advice or advice isn't being communicated to him clearly/he's misunderstanding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 He'll draw in the lineup sooner or later, and boy I would not want to be a player on the opposing team when he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyg43 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Edited October 27, 2016 by bobbyg43 "the Team seems to be lacking some of this" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam126 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 The reason I think Virt is playing on the team and not in Utica is because Rodin is injured and he needs to fill his spot. I'd like Virt to go to the AHL when Rodin is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I wonder how Toronto fans reacted to the benching of Corrado last season. He didn't get into game action for months after they picked him up. Is it really that big of a deal to hold a roster spot for him? Vancouver media is in full on panic mode over who gets to sit in the press box... I'm confused again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam126 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said: I wonder how Toronto fans reacted to the benching of Corrado last season. He didn't get into game action for months after they picked him up. Is it really that big of a deal to hold a roster spot for him? Vancouver media is in full on panic mode over who gets to sit in the press box... I'm confused again Because this canvass and media over hype guys like Corrado and when they actually see them in NHL action they yell about something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said: I wonder how Toronto fans reacted to the benching of Corrado last season. He didn't get into game action for months after they picked him up. Is it really that big of a deal to hold a roster spot for him? Vancouver media is in full on panic mode over who gets to sit in the press box... I'm confused again True, but FC didn't refuse to go to the AHL for a two week conditioning stint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: True, but FC didn't refuse to go to the AHL for a two week conditioning stint. Corrado doesn't have any bargaining power and didn't sign a conditional deal that said he wouldn't go to the AHL either. I do think it's misguided of him, but I watched the Comets game today and I gotta say that I'm not sure how many good habits he could learn there. The play is slow, scrambly and players are out of position all over the ice. Why not dress 7 defensemen and at least see how out of shape he is? There are enough workhorses on this team that could fill in for a missing forward. Did he really look completely out of shape in the pre-season? Those were games that he played in right? His speed might have been lacking on the backcheck a couple times and maybe you could attribute that to his wind, but he is a true giant. He may never have the stamina to be a #1 D-man. For now it's workout, practice and skate hard everyday. Eventually he will be ready to play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said: Corrado doesn't have any bargaining power and didn't sign a conditional deal that said he wouldn't go to the AHL either. I do think it's misguided of him, but I watched the Comets game today and I gotta say that I'm not sure how many good habits he could learn there. The play is slow, scrambly and players are out of position all over the ice. Why not dress 7 defensemen and at least see how out of shape he is? There are enough workhorses on this team that could fill in for a missing forward. Did he really look completely out of shape in the pre-season? Those were games that he played in right? His speed might have been lacking on the backcheck a couple times and maybe you could attribute that to his wind, but he is a true giant. He may never have the stamina to be a #1 D-man. For now it's workout, practice and skate hard everyday. Eventually he will be ready to play. Didn't Ferraro say there is no way to sharpen to game speed other than actually playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 14 minutes ago, Alflives said: Didn't Ferraro say there is no way to sharpen to game speed other than actually playing? I fully agree. That's why I'd play him now and why he should have played against either LA or Anaheim. I guarantee when he gets out there and starts playing he's going to be able to play his way into game shape. People are going to be scratching their heads saying why the hell did it take so long, he doesn't look that bad. Just dress 7 D-men. Are you telling me the other forwards couldn't play those 7 minutes that WD is giving Virtanen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 13 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said: I fully agree. That's why I'd play him now and why he should have played against either LA or Anaheim. I guarantee when he gets out there and starts playing he's going to be able to play his way into game shape. People are going to be scratching their heads saying why the hell did it take so long, he doesn't look that bad. Just dress 7 D-men. Are you telling me the other forwards couldn't play those 7 minutes that WD is giving Virtanen? Why not simply sit Sbisa for a game and play Tryamkin. Do you think this would reduce our chances of winning the Stanley Cup this year.... LOL - our club is going to finish 25th -30th regardless of whether Sbisa or Tryamkin draws into the lineup. We need a coaching / management team that is committed to development of our prospects. If Willie isn't up to the job - lets gets rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 12 hours ago, J.R. said: People are worrying far too much about the "Tryamkin situation" IMO. It is what it is. He'll get in to shape. We'll have injuries. Problem is..is that you cannot just go from practice,straight into an NHL game.......He hasn't played a game in weeks....He could get exposed badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, J.R. said: That's really the issue IMO. Not sure if it's a communication issue or what though. Really, his agent etc need to get through to him on that point. He's either getting bad advice or advice isn't being communicated to him clearly/he's misunderstanding it. He doesn't want to leave his Girlfriend.. Of course there's a lot more to it, and I'll chalk that up as common knowledge at this point. Edited October 27, 2016 by Western Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I have to admit I am mightily impressed by the handling of this situation by the Canucks. Its like (for different reasons) when they dealt with Kassian. It's discreet. They did not call him out publically. Nor was he gifted free time on ice. In fact his ass is stapled to the power bike behind the press box. They have just dealt with it accountably & professionally. Yet it was equally offset by the fact they know we can really use / need Tryamkin. All avenues to get him in shape & ice time, including requesting a conditioning stint. Wile still retaining his rights have been taken on. Even offering him on loan back to the KHL. As per Friedman, even the player & his agent are appreciative of the handling. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 8 hours ago, canuckledraggin said: I fully agree. That's why I'd play him now and why he should have played against either LA or Anaheim. I guarantee when he gets out there and starts playing he's going to be able to play his way into game shape. People are going to be scratching their heads saying why the hell did it take so long, he doesn't look that bad. Just dress 7 D-men. Are you telling me the other forwards couldn't play those 7 minutes that WD is giving Virtanen? WTH is that common sense? Stop that stuff it's making my eyes cross. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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