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7 hours ago, aGENT said:

I think that's what management plans to do. A LOT is going to depend on Tanev's appetite to stay here... And for how much/long?

Yeah. With Edler's contract up the next season they might be okay signing him longer term.

 

And if we managed to move two of Sutter/Baer/Eriksson out. Maybe Eriksson retires. Cap will be a bit too tight to re-sign Tanev if none if them is moved.

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16 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

I think Tryamkin has had 3 seasons to think about his first run through the NHL. I think he learned a lot, ie the stuff after the whistle, face washes, clearing the crease after the whistle if they are to close to the goalie, knocking guys over when heading to the bench, Crashing the melee and grabbing someone if there's trouble. All common sense stuff for NA players. Also he knows that if he rocks someone with a legal hit that the play is not over after the whistle, other players will come at him for revenge or try to push him down. He knows now to be able to protect yourself at all times. That cheap stuff is always at risk happening after the whistle. Good thing Try is able to protect himself.

I think the edgier part of the NHL  is part of the mental game Tryamkin will be better prepared fpr when he comes back. But now with a way better team and more back up than last time.

He had said he was confused and not fond of all the extra-curricular stuff that goes on, especially when he had to fight Benn after hitting him clean.  Perhaps from knowing the game now and maturity, he's better-prepared to deal with it.  And in reality, if/when he establishes himself and his reputation, he won't need to do much of that stuff because most people won't want to mess with him.

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17 minutes ago, Gaudette Celly said:

He had said he was confused and not fond of all the extra-curricular stuff that goes on, especially when he had to fight Benn after hitting him clean.  Perhaps from knowing the game now and maturity, he's better-prepared to deal with it.  And in reality, if/when he establishes himself and his reputation, he won't need to do much of that stuff because most people won't want to mess with him.

Considering he has the size, strength and reach to be able to grab a heavyweight by the throat and use their head for a speed bag, I don't think he will need to fight very often.

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1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Yeah. With Edler's contract up the next season they might be okay signing him longer term.

 

And if we managed to move two of Sutter/Baer/Eriksson out. Maybe Eriksson retires. Cap will be a bit too tight to re-sign Tanev if none if them is moved.

I'd imagine Edler probably re-signs on shorter/one year deals until he retires anyway but yeah, I'd be wary of signing 'lucky to play 60 games and on the wrong side of 30 Tanev' to much over 4 years myself...

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On 1/24/2020 at 6:22 PM, Junkyard Dog said:

If Tanev, like Edler, was hurt for an extended time we would really feel it. I feel that Tryamkin wouldn't be able to replace what Tanev brings right away. It's hard for some players to step in right away and make that sort of impact, there's an adjusting period.

 

I would personally like to keep Tanev and have Tryamkin here. It would give Green a 3rd pairing he can play more than 15 minutes a game, taking the load off our top 4 which would make them all play better and fresher. On top of this it would give Tryamkin the time he needs to adjust, though personally I don't see him needing much more than a year.

 

It would give us some pretty ganrly D-depth that season too. 

 

 

I agree with your assessment re Tanev vs Tryamkin, but (big little word there) Tryamkin brings that Tanev does not, is a very physical rambunctious nature (for instance his taking on Dallas).

 

Or this vs the Ducks

 

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I want to see this team have role players on d. Guys who have a specific purpose but always maintain decent defensive acumen.

 

Hughes: Drive play. Get points.

Tanev: Shut down top lines. Support your partner who can score more.

 

Tryamkin's role relies almost exclusively on his size and aggressive play. Play well defensively (in whatever style that works), but clear the crease and crash and bang. That's what he does, and does often. If not, there is really little reason to have him on the team.

 

I think if you have role players who can play well defensively, it allows you to not rely on them being great in all areas but the coach can deploy them according to the play. Got a pp? Hughes goes out. Got big opposition forwards? Get Tryamkin out. Obviously, line matchups are what coaches do but when you have guys like Benn and Stecher (who are decent players) they are just... sort of... "there". They aren't your #1 go-to in any particular situation.

 

This is why in particular I would be happy to have Tryamkin back over those two guys. He fills a role.

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2 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

I agree with your assessment re Tanev vs Tryamkin, but (big little word there) Tryamkin brings that Tanev does not, is a very physical rambunctious nature (for instance his taking on Dallas).

 

Or this vs the Ducks

 

I feel he could surpass Tanev but it would take time to adjust to the elite league that is the NHL.

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Tryamkin I think knows there will be an adaptation period to settle into his role. But he also follows our games I am pretty sure. And I think he sees where he can add like with heavy teams.He can match up well with big forwards and neutralize  attacks of bigger forwards giving time and space for Hughes to work his magic, and also for our forwards to come claim the puck on the back check.

His confidence dealing with bigger players will have a calming effect on our defensive coverage and slow down the big 5 -7 goal games against us.

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19 hours ago, aGENT said:

I think that's what management plans to do. A LOT is going to depend on Tanev's appetite to stay here... And for how much/long?

I think its still possible for Tryamkin to be in the lineup even with Tanev coming back. The bubble guys right now are Fantenberg, Stetcher and Benn. Benn, name recognition, experience, and his fairly decent salary is tradeable. Fantenberg is just a spare part so hes expendable.

 

With Stetch,this year he hasnt been noticeable in a bad or good way, but its just hes an RFA, if qualified, due for a raise and if I was in Stetchers camp, Id say hes a legit NHLer that deserves something with more term, 2-4 years, Im not sure if management is going to go that route. A player like Stetcher can be found in UFA pool, waivers etc, 5'8 Dmen that can move the puck with little to no offence, thats easily available. A guy thats 6'7 that can move the puck, let alone being physically imposing, thats another story even if he would have deficiencies defensively from coming from the K or just inexperience.Fact is, you can teach that, you can't teach anybody to grow taller. Thats what Tryamkin brings. Its the upside.

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45 minutes ago, kloubek said:

I want to see this team have role players on d. Guys who have a specific purpose but always maintain decent defensive acumen.

 

Hughes: Drive play. Get points.

Tanev: Shut down top lines. Support your partner who can score more.

 

Tryamkin's role relies almost exclusively on his size and aggressive play. Play well defensively (in whatever style that works), but clear the crease and crash and bang. That's what he does, and does often. If not, there is really little reason to have him on the team.

 

I think if you have role players who can play well defensively, it allows you to not rely on them being great in all areas but the coach can deploy them according to the play. Got a pp? Hughes goes out. Got big opposition forwards? Get Tryamkin out. Obviously, line matchups are what coaches do but when you have guys like Benn and Stecher (who are decent players) they are just... sort of... "there". They aren't your #1 go-to in any particular situation.

 

This is why in particular I would be happy to have Tryamkin back over those two guys. He fills a role.

I think Tryamkin wants the Tanev type role, which is the role he's currently playing in the KHL. Willie D tried to make him be more aggressive, but that didn't bode well for Nikita. Maybe it was the way it was told of him to do so, who knows.

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1 hour ago, filthycanuck said:

I think its still possible for Tryamkin to be in the lineup even with Tanev coming back. The bubble guys right now are Fantenberg, Stetcher and Benn. Benn, name recognition, experience, and his fairly decent salary is tradeable. Fantenberg is just a spare part so hes expendable.

 

With Stetch,this year he hasnt been noticeable in a bad or good way, but its just hes an RFA, if qualified, due for a raise and if I was in Stetchers camp, Id say hes a legit NHLer that deserves something with more term, 2-4 years, Im not sure if management is going to go that route. A player like Stetcher can be found in UFA pool, waivers etc, 5'8 Dmen that can move the puck with little to no offence, thats easily available. A guy thats 6'7 that can move the puck, let alone being physically imposing, thats another story even if he would have deficiencies defensively from coming from the K or just inexperience.Fact is, you can teach that, you can't teach anybody to grow taller. Thats what Tryamkin brings. Its the upside.

If the Canuck goaltending was not delivering the way it has the conversation would be much different. IMHO the goaltending has made the d-core look better than it is. Often there is a fire drill in the d-zone with opposing teams having sustained puck possession time. 

 

While the status quo would be OK for playoffs this season it is not a CUP serious group. Playoffs this year would be valuable experience it is not the important period in the timeline. 3 years out is the target. At that point I do not see Stecher, Benn or Fantenberg on the team. On the bubble is Edler and Tanev. I like both of these vets and think both could still play it is about age and durability and CAP cost. Vancouver is on the rise and Benning will find lots of players who will want to join this young group for a CUP shot.   

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11 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

If the Canuck goaltending was not delivering the way it has the conversation would be much different. IMHO the goaltending has made the d-core look better than it is. Often there is a fire drill in the d-zone with opposing teams having sustained puck possession time. 

 

While the status quo would be OK for playoffs this season it is not a CUP serious group. Playoffs this year would be valuable experience it is not the important period in the timeline. 3 years out is the target. At that point I do not see Stecher, Benn or Fantenberg on the team. On the bubble is Edler and Tanev. I like both of these vets and think both could still play it is about age and durability and CAP cost. Vancouver is on the rise and Benning will find lots of players who will want to join this young group for a CUP shot.   

Have you watched the leafs this year that's a fire zone

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Just now, Cup2022 said:

Have you watched the leafs this year that's a fire zone

So very true.  Dumbass would drink his extra double chocolate lattes WITHOUT SUGAR if he could get Tryamkin.

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14 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

If the Canuck goaltending was not delivering the way it has the conversation would be much different. IMHO the goaltending has made the d-core look better than it is. Often there is a fire drill in the d-zone with opposing teams having sustained puck possession time. 

 

While the status quo would be OK for playoffs this season it is not a CUP serious group. Playoffs this year would be valuable experience it is not the important period in the timeline. 3 years out is the target. At that point I do not see Stecher, Benn or Fantenberg on the team. On the bubble is Edler and Tanev. I like both of these vets and think both could still play it is about age and durability and CAP cost. Vancouver is on the rise and Benning will find lots of players who will want to join this young group for a CUP shot.   

Our goaltending is over rated our d under rated

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Not ideal but could see running with both Benn and Fantenberg in the lineup post-TDL as we wait for Tryamkin to return, if we were to move Stecher.  Brisebois and Sautner are capable and proven fill-ins should there be injuries in the meantime.  Get the feeling Benning will try to re-sign Tanev, but depends of course if he wants to stay or test UFA.

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I like what he brings as a player, and am intrigued at the idea of Ferland & Tryamkin joining the team for a playoff run.  If Try doesn’t fit into the current team - I would think he’s a valuable trade asset. His agent’s language about being able to play on ‘any NHL team,’ may be hinting at exactly that.

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2 hours ago, Cup2022 said:

Don't think our goaltending is bad just that my fellow Canucks fans over rate avarage goaltending

The initial stats support your claim. But if you consider the -quality- of shots (also stat supported) our goaltending is pretty darn good. 

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