D.B Cooper Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Chronic.Canucks.Fan said: His impact on the forward core will be similar to what Hughes did for our defence. It will be like having another Motte at the top end of our lineup driving the forecheck and making that little bit of extra space for guys like Pettersson and Boeser to capitalize on. The Burrows comparison is a great one. He'll be a great complement in the top 6 and be a play driver on the lower lines if we need him to be. Imagine a shutdown line of Motte - Horvat - Podkolzin in 2 years. Yikes. Having guys like Bo and Pod playing a defensive role with Motte would be such a waste of two great players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronic.Canuck Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 hours ago, drummerboy said: Having guys like Bo and Pod playing a defensive role with Motte would be such a waste of two great players. I'm not saying it would be a full time line but it would be a great option to have if some other more offensively inclined prospects pan out. I still think Motte has 20G/20A potential. Miller - Petey - Boeser Motte - Horvat - Podkolzin Hoglander - Gaudette - Lind Spreads out the scoring and gives us 3 lines with offensive potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 11/30/2020 at 7:28 PM, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Did a little snooping on the guy behind that Podkolzin article: So, he's a "Media Officer" for the Russian Ice Hockey Federation. Hmm... Wonder where his loyalties lie? With the kid who's refusing to extend his contract in Russia? Or with SKA (AKA Putin's favourite hockey club)? Not that I'd ever accuse him of bias. Mikhail looks like quite the heartbreaker too: Sorry, I know I really shouldn't make fun of a guy's appearance, but yikes, that's a bad pic! EDIT: Can't say I'm a fan of Mikhail Zislis's journalism, but I did like his earlier work as an actor. His portrayal of Vic Mackey in The Shield was particularly memorable. He should go back to the bald look, though. Suited him better. His appearance and the quality of his article match. Yeah, that's mean but idc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Chronic.Canucks.Fan said: I'm not saying it would be a full time line but it would be a great option to have if some other more offensively inclined prospects pan out. I still think Motte has 20G/20A potential. Miller - Petey - Boeser Motte - Horvat - Podkolzin Hoglander - Gaudette - Lind Spreads out the scoring and gives us 3 lines with offensive potential. Motte is 25 years old. He isn’t going to all of a sudden turn into a 40+ point guy. That’s more than double his best ever. Top 6 is for scoring goals. Putting a 3-4 liner in the top 6 is Linden Vey style. A winning team doesn’t put that kind of player in the top 6. 2 years from now when we should be competing, that would be sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, drummerboy said: Motte is 25 years old. He isn’t going to all of a sudden turn into a 40+ point guy. That’s more than double his best ever. Top 6 is for scoring goals. Putting a 3-4 liner in the top 6 is Linden Vey style. A winning team doesn’t put that kind of player in the top 6. 2 years from now when we should be competing, that would be sad. Tell that to William Karlsson. His best ever output was 25 points in 81 games (turned 24 in this season) before going to Vegas and putting up 78 in 81 games (he settled back down to about a 55-60 point player the next two seasons, but that's still more than double his output after being giving the opportunity for a bigger role). Not saying this will happen for Motte, but sometimes it just works out. Motte did have 56 points in 38 games in his final college year. Now that can be attributed to good linemates, but that could be what Horvat and Podkolzin (in this example) would provide for him to produce. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Tell that to William Karlsson. His best ever output was 25 points in 81 games (turned 24 in this season) before going to Vegas and putting up 78 in 81 games (he settled back down to about a 55-60 point player the next two seasons, but that's still more than double his output after being giving the opportunity for a bigger role). Not saying this will happen for Motte, but sometimes it just works out. Motte did have 56 points in 38 games in his final college year. Now that can be attributed to good linemates, but that could be what Horvat and Podkolzin (in this example) would provide for him to produce. Ok. You’re right. It does happen Once every.........200 players? Let’s bank in that. In 2 years, all the bad contracts are gone, our young superstars are hitting full stride, and we will have a ton of cap. I like Motte, but if he is in our top 6 at that point, this team is dog Pooh. I have a lot more faith in our management than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, drummerboy said: Ok. You’re right. It does happen Once every.........200 players? Let’s bank in that. In 2 years, all the bad contracts are gone, our young superstars are hitting full stride, and we will have a ton of cap. I like Motte, but if he is in our top 6 at that point, this team is dog Pooh. I have a lot more faith in our management than that. If he's in our top 6 at that point, that means something worked to earn him that spot. No reason to believe that we would be in a bad spot if he earned the spot. There are surely other examples, like Burrows and even Kesler was labelled a 3rd line center. The point is you don't write it off so quickly. Motte may never be that guy and the odds are against him, but same could've been said about Karlsson and CBJ may never have unleashed that potential. Motte being a 40 point 3rd liner isn't outrageous either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, theo5789 said: If he's in our top 6 at that point, that means something worked to earn him that spot. No reason to believe that we would be in a bad spot if he earned the spot. There are surely other examples, like Burrows and even Kesler was labelled a 3rd line center. The point is you don't write it off so quickly. Motte may never be that guy and the odds are against him, but same could've been said about Karlsson and CBJ may never have unleashed that potential. Motte being a 40 point 3rd liner isn't outrageous either. It’s not unheard of, or outrageous, BUT For a cup competing team, those over achievers are your 3rd liners. We need a real top 6. Miller, Petey, Brock, Bo. All top 6. Pearson, decent, but not a solidifying top 6. Over achieving Motto. Not a true top 6. Edited December 4, 2020 by drummerboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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theo5789 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 54 minutes ago, drummerboy said: It’s not unheard of, or outrageous, BUT For a cup competing team, those over achievers are your 3rd liners. We need a real top 6. Miller, Petey, Brock, Bo. All top 6. Pearson, decent, but not a solidifying top 6. Over achieving Motto. Not a true top 6. Not sure why everything has to be so black and white and certain players are restricted. So if Motte has some untapped potential that is unleashed by being with good top 6 players then it's a detriment? I guess we didn't win a championship in 2011 because Burrows was overachieving in our top 6? And Vegas hasn't won because Karlsson shouldn't be in the top 6? Motte has shown he can produce on a top line in college when given the minutes and quality linemates. Perhaps his endless motor helps keep pressure in the offensive zone allowing the more skilled players to do their thing. The reason why Burrows was successful with the Sedins wasn't because he was the most skilled player (we tried more skilled players with the Sedins and it didn't work), it was because he was able to retrieve the puck to let the Sedins do their thing and he developed the chemistry to play their game. Burrows similarly in his last year of junior was the third best offensive player on his team, so he likely produced his numbers with good linemates (much like he did with the Sedins), but he showed he was capable to mesh with skilled players. Of course we would want "top 6" guys to be top 6 players, but you'll never know what untapped potential Motte could have if you don't try. The most likely scenario is that he's indeed a bottom 6 player, but I just don't think we have to dismiss the idea so quickly and be so closed minded about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elvis15 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 11 hours ago, Mackcanuck said: Didn't expect any less. The only thing that could get in the way of that would be Covid-related at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Goal:thecup Posted December 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2020 16 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: That big defenseman was so tired of Podz by the end of that shift, lol! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 17 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: This kid has compete engrained into his DNA. Green is going to love this kid and have the opportunity to mold him into being a top two way player. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: Man, imagine having to deal with a top six that has him, Bo, and Miller in it. Man. They all play such a hardworking, relentless game. Petey too. To say he battles is a huge understatement. Edited December 4, 2020 by Coconuts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Coconuts said: Man, imagine having to deal with a top six that has him, Bo, and Miller in it. Man. They all play such a hardworking, relentless game. Petey too. To say he battles is a huge understatement. its going to be relentless on the nights all our guys are on their game. Don't forget, after the top 6 they have to deal with lines with Motte+Rooster and then Beagle+MacEwan on them. And who knows, maybe Hawyrluk is a hidden gem in the making too. Edited December 5, 2020 by Jimmy McGill 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stierlitz Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Hmm Podkolzin is listed recently at 6'4" 203 lbs https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/1651/russia-u20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Stierlitz said: Hmm Podkolzin is listed recently at 6'4" 203 lbs https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/1651/russia-u20 Yeah, that was what the KHL website was saying, but SKA's website (and everywhere else) has him @ ~6'1" (still 200lbs though) Edited December 5, 2020 by Chickenspear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Stierlitz said: Hmm Podkolzin is listed recently at 6'4" 203 lbs https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/1651/russia-u20 6 minutes ago, Chickenspear said: Yeah, that was what the KHL website was saying, but SKA's website (and everywhere else) has him @ ~6'1" (still 200lbs though) On the KHL website he is listed as 192 cm which is just under 6’4”. I thought it was a mistake too, but that’s two sources now claiming that height. So either Elitelrospects is simply referencing the KHL websites incorrect height, or the other sites have it wrong. Just from the eye test he doesn’t look 6’4” to me. Maybe if they measure him on skates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stierlitz Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Chickenspear said: Yeah, that was what the KHL website was saying, but SKA's website (and everywhere else) has him @ ~6'1" (still 200lbs though) Some Russian sites have him at 192 cm which is 6'3", like this one: https://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sporta/Hokkej/Vasilij_Podkolzin_Khokkej_24062001 The VHL site listed him at 192 cm as well: https://www.vhlru.ru/players/30659/ I believe 6'3" is the correct number, many sites just provide old, outdated info. Edited December 5, 2020 by Stierlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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