WHL rocks Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Before season started I predicted Miller would out score Duchene who signed a 8 mill per yr 8 yr deal last summer. A poster was laughing at me. So far Duchene 7g 13a 20Pts Miller 13g 18a 31Pts 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templeton Peck Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 12:05 PM, Gaudette Celly said: This is called superstition, and typical of those whose lifestyle and retirement plan is based on buying 6/49. They'd rather have magic beans than a sure thing. Go for the mystery box, it might even get you something as good as what you give up, if yer lucky! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 21 hours ago, Templeton Peck said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 On 12/12/2019 at 11:49 AM, RonMexico said: I'm always left wanting more. I'm not trolling nor a simpleton either but thanks for the effort to talk down to me. Are you willing to double his salary or more? I'm not. We could only hope that Jake would take 2.5 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 3:07 PM, RonMexico said: No not all. I've never even been to that site. At a certain point I believe your potential passes you by and I think that's where we are at with Jake. I see a player who has replacement level ability and value. You don't. That doesn't make me wrong, nor does it make you wrong. Everyone is entitled to opinions, but yes they can be proven wrong. Virtanen, while he has not met our hopes and expectations for a 6th overall pick, is far above a replacement level player. Take a look at his production this year compared to some other guys. As I write this, his production is at Kessel, Palat, Kappanen, Benn levels. Are those guys replacement level guys...? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Now about the conditional first round pick in this deal. Will it be 2020 or 2021 ? Hope the Canucks get back on track and get it over with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Toyotasfan said: Now about the conditional first round pick in this deal. Will it be 2020 or 2021 ? Hope the Canucks get back on track and get it over with. Nonetheless, just saw that Miller is the 15OA11. So a sure fire 26 year old 1st for a future 1st was the deal. Canucks definitely have to do something. Edited December 18, 2019 by Me_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Toyotasfan said: Now about the conditional first round pick in this deal. Will it be 2020 or 2021 ? Hope the Canucks get back on track and get it over with. I don't think Canucks make the playoffs this year.. Vegas ARZ CGY EDM will be top 4 in division Then one of DAL NSH SJS for 2nd WC spot. I'm hoping we finally catch some luck and win the draft lottery. Draft Lafreniere this coming draft... next year our young guns will be a year more mature and developed, make the playoffs win a cpl rounds and give TBL a late 1st.. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, WHL rocks said: I don't think Canucks make the playoffs this year.. Vegas ARZ CGY EDM will be top 4 in division Then one of DAL NSH SJS for 2nd WC spot. I'm hoping we finally catch some luck and win the draft lottery. Draft Lafreniere this coming draft... next year our young guns will be a year more mature and developed, make the playoffs win a cpl rounds and give TBL a late 1st.. This really would be cosmic justice for the Canucks. Narrowly miss the playoffs, slot in somewhere around 10-15 OA at the draft, FINALLY win a top 3 lotto pick I'd be fine with Byfield too for example That said, I'd be ok drafting in that 10-20 range too (to 20 if we do happen to go on a role and make the playoffs) as this draft seems very forward heavy at the top and we could probably stand to add some more D to our pipeline...particularly with the questions around OJ's health/development (though I do think he still makes it IMO). One of Barron, Schneider, Poirier, Sanderson, Wallinder etc should be available in that range, should we land there. Though I guess if we land in the playoffs, we're likely surrendering the pick. Edited December 19, 2019 by aGENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 17 hours ago, WHL rocks said: I'm hoping we finally catch some luck and win the draft lottery. The Canucks' chances will go a lot higher if Arizona who has Taylor "Voodoo Doll" Hall doesn't make the playoffs. And of course, if we don't give our first rounder to Tampa Bay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 The amount of sphincter tightening around this trade if we miss the playoffs this year and keep our pick is going to be intense. What a decision to make if we are picking 10-15, will we be better the next year? Do you gamble that we could end up losing a top 3 pick the following year? This trade can't be judged until we know what is going back in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theo5789 Posted December 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Provost said: The amount of sphincter tightening around this trade if we miss the playoffs this year and keep our pick is going to be intense. What a decision to make if we are picking 10-15, will we be better the next year? Do you gamble that we could end up losing a top 3 pick the following year? This trade can't be judged until we know what is going back in return. That is the half glass empty what if. What if we miss the playoffs, win the 1st overall pick and win the Cup next season so we give up the 31st pick? If we win the lottery on a year that we gave up our pick, especially if say we just missed the playoffs next year as well so those odds are low, then I'll probably stop watching the NHL altogether. At that point, I don't really care if we lost the trade or not. If we are a bottom feeder team next year with high odds of winning a lotto pick, then we have much bigger problems to deal with. We don't know the full return, but it's likely a 1st around the 14-20 mark is my guess. Getting a legit cap controlled 26 year top 6 player in Miller is worth that. 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 By that standard, we couldn't judge the Linden trade to the Isles until the Sedins retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coryberg Posted December 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Gaudette Celly said: By that standard, we couldn't judge the Linden trade to the Isles until the Sedins retired. We still can't... Linden--> Bertuzzi--> Luongo--> Markstrom--> ???? The gift that keeps on giving. 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) On 12/19/2019 at 4:57 PM, Provost said: The amount of sphincter tightening around this trade if we miss the playoffs this year and keep our pick is going to be intense. What a decision to make if we are picking 10-15, will we be better the next year? Do you gamble that we could end up losing a top 3 pick the following year? This trade can't be judged until we know what is going back in return. I dont agree. JT has been excellent and the needless hand wringing was about him being a '4th liner' by those that never saw him actually play. The only way the 11st becomes to rich is if it is a top 5 pick. Right now JT is easily worth a 10th pick. If we draft 10-15, so what. Just with the expected progression of our younger players like Ep40, Gaudette, Brock and Hughes will improve the team. It is expected that younger players improve and that the decline happens after the 30 year mark or so. Seeing as we have a very young team, that has improved since last season, further progression should be expected the following year. That is to say if this team regressed like Edmonton last year, then management and coaching changes would be expected. If things stay on track, why would we even be concerned about next years pick. As of now, we would be in the 13-15 range. That's a fair price for what miller brings. Edited December 24, 2019 by Phat Fingers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/20/2019 at 10:36 PM, coryberg said: We still can't... Linden--> Bertuzzi--> Luongo--> Markstrom--> ???? The gift that keeps on giving. Ekblad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 JT has been the MVP of this team so far half way into this season. This is the best move JB has made. Well worth a top pick given his skill, contract and age. I’m more critical of the Meyers acquisition. This is one guy they needed to do more homework on. He is not a 6M defenceman and this gets lost in the conversation. I hope he picks it up, I love his size but he seems to be weak on his stick handling/puck shooting skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 24 minutes ago, grandmaster said: JT has been the MVP of this team so far half way into this season. This is the best move JB has made. Well worth a top pick given his skill, contract and age. I’m more critical of the Meyers acquisition. This is one guy they needed to do more homework on. He is not a 6M defenceman and this gets lost in the conversation. I hope he picks it up, I love his size but he seems to be weak on his stick handling/puck shooting skills. Myers is 2nd on the team for average TOI. 1st in average even strength TOI as he's been the secondary guy for both special teams. The coaching staff seems to trust him as a minute muncher capable of playing most situations when needed. He may be in a bit over his head when Edler is out. I think with Edler back, it's going to re-stabilize the defense. I think if he had better stick handling/puck shooting skills on top of what he is currently doing, he probably would've cost more than 6 million to sign. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 30 minutes ago, grandmaster said: I’m more critical of the Meyers acquisition. This is one guy they needed to do more homework on. He is not a 6M defenceman and this gets lost in the conversation. I hope he picks it up, I love his size but he seems to be weak on his stick handling/puck shooting skills. It's true that Myers is overpaid. But that was pretty much the only way to add a remotely top-4 D-man without giving up other assets. Although Tanev is a better overall D-man, he's probably looking for similar money, and with his injury history, having Myers and Stecher and letting Tanev walk might be the right play. Rafferty's emergence makes this more palatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 52 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Myers is 2nd on the team for average TOI. 1st in average even strength TOI as he's been the secondary guy for both special teams. The coaching staff seems to trust him as a minute muncher capable of playing most situations when needed. He may be in a bit over his head when Edler is out. I think with Edler back, it's going to re-stabilize the defense. I think if he had better stick handling/puck shooting skills on top of what he is currently doing, he probably would've cost more than 6 million to sign. Yes but have you seen his puck handling and shooting skills? It’s not good, very disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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